France has been known for its deliberate hatreds, pre-ww2, and post ww2. Having said this what I think is occurring is counter colonization, and as of late decades, deliberate. The imposition is from Islamic lands where the majority of the Uma, crave sharia law, sharia rule. I had pondered in years before that maybe this is karma for the French for their personal nastiness? In this case the lesser of the two evils right now are the jihadists, rather then the national front. On what to do, is another matter, perhaps best left off this forum? Dieudonné, their national treasure, as you term it, is a stage name, for a Muslim fellow, who carries his jihad to his shows. The Algerian war you write of are unquestionable in that the Pied Noire colonists were basically the same folks who followed Martial Petain and Pierre Laval collabiorators, during WW2. Again we have a case of the bad versus the worse.
-----Original Message----- From: chris peck <chris_peck...@hotmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 7:49 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Maybe the Onion cartoon didn't set anyone off, but it just isn't true that these three Algerians are the only people who behave psychotically in the face of free speech. During the first salvos of the battle of Fallujah the allies ransacked and shut down the general hospital because it was releasing civilian casualty figures. That was a war crime. The allies bombed the offices of Al Jazeera in Bagdahd in 2003, a fact widely denied until David Blunket boasted about it in his memoirs. Why? They were releasing civilian casualty figures alongside photographic proof. Freely reporting the truth is simply unacceptable. In the war against Serbia Nato bombed Serbian state tv head quarters killing scores of journalists. We shouldn't be fooled into thinking France has any regard for free speech either. Only days after the Hebdo attacks their national treasure Dieudonné was arrested for an offensive face book post. He aligned himself with the killers rather than the victims in an exasperated outburst. It was deeply insensitive and deeply offensive. But so what? It was just a joke. Clarke's question isn't a fair one. A fair question would be to ask why these three men turned psychotic over a cartoon. Asking why muslims are the only group to turn psychotic implies muslims turn psychotic over jokes in general, which isnt true. It implies that the only people who have killed journalists have been muslims. Again not true. Why did these three Algerians turn psychotic? Who can honestly say? But we can look at the history of Algeria and France, and as it turns out the conquest and subjugation of the Algerian people was exceptionally brutal. Here is a postcard French ex-pats in Algeria could send home to mom depicting the fate of Algerian nationals who disobeyed: http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/1337/5sor.jpg see, even beheading people and publishing it on public media has precedents in the west. The Algerians tried to get their country back triggering a bitter civil war that killed 1.5 million people and resulted in Algerian society being torn apart. Pro French Algericans escaped to france, where they have been treated like animals ever since. In 1961, in Paris, during a peaceful protest against the occupation of Algeria and against a curfew imposed by the state, the french police rounded up scores of Algerian men women and children, beat them unconscious and threw them into the Seine to drown. Thousands were rounded up into stadiums and beaten. There are reports that some were forced to drink bleach. Corpses washed up on the shores of the Seine for weeks. Upwards of 200 people were killed. Some estimates are far higher. France. Its not all cheese, baguettes and ooh la la. Since 1961 muslims have been subjected to increasingly draconian restrictions on their freedome and a media that depicts them in as dehumanizing way as possible. The wankers at Charlie Hebdo are part of that. Of course they should be free to do it, but its no wonder this marginalized sector feels angry about it. The media now presents the story as though white french people should be afraid of Algerians. Historically, its clearly the other way around because the whites in France have been behaving like a brutal and murderous bunch of cunts. That said, these three Algerians probably did what they did without reference to any of that and because of some words in a book. To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:45:13 -0500 Brent, you are suffering from progressive derangement syndrome, where all non-complaint minds are evil Nazis. I will never be compliant with progressive thinking because, a) it works poorly, and b) its totalitarian in nature, and becomes increasingly so over time. Secondly, Chris is holding the spot for the most mentally-impaired judgment, on the mailing list, and I don't think he needs the competition. I used to be a progressive myself, so I am used to the diatribes, accusations, lies, and Sol Alinsky's rules for Radicals (if you have ever read the man's book?). Now, as to yout OECD comment, I am ok with cradle to grave social services, as long as we find a good way to pay for it all. I am pretty much the kind of libertarian who would like to see small scale fixes tried first, before the hoary hand over national government is imposed, along with all its strings and corruption. However I will accept it intellectually as long as it is thoughtfully planned. It can be done, but in the US, its done, more or less as bribes by the democrat party to guarantee people are dependent on the dems, rather than independent and upward bound. This, Chris's party doesn't want because otherwise, why vote for them? Question, how well do you feel the OECD countries, which you exult in, would be able to fund their national social services, if they had to rely on their own national defense, rather than on US warships and planes. It would cut into the social services, no doubt, unless they could cut a deal with Putin, or China, not to invade? I am talking about tens of billions of ecu's or pounds, depending on where you are living. This would be what they call a trade off, indeed. -----Original Message----- From: meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 4:04 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On 1/19/2015 10:17 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: But I don't like your specious multiculturalist creepiness to go unchallenged on this email list. Its failed everywhere its been tried, as nearly all of the liberal crap has. You mean like in all the OECD nations? Where people are happy and secure because they have a socialist safety net. I'd say you skinhead fascists, like the ones who set a sleeping homeless man on fire here last night, are a lot creepier and failed a lot bigger when you were in power. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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