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From: Kim Jones <kimjo...@ozemail.com.au>
To: "everything-list@googlegroups.com" <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness
>>Clark is that desperate order of human whose only creative ability lies in
>>shitting on the thinking of others. He is quite simply bereft of any thinking
>>of his own and has clearly never once in gis life experienced a creative idea
>>- even by accident. He is therefore exists only as a parasite on the back of
>>others since he lacks the means to exist as a thinker in his own right.
Come on now, you do not have that kind of insight into the mind of John, to be
able to make the slew of assertions, you just made about him; about how and who
he is. As everyone knows -- me and John have had it out on this list on
several occasions and there are many things with which we do not agree in the
slightest (though on some matters we seem to be in accord). John and I have
insulted each other with gusto... no one can accuse me of being a John Clark
fanboy.Every human being is a flawed outcome of experiences and inner
development; we all have our own failings and blemishes; pronouncing judgement
on others is a risky business -- in the best of cases. As has been said
(probably many times by many people in many cultures throughout the ages: Judge
not; lest you be judged.-Chris
I predict that the day Clark actually proposes something new and insightful as
opposed to merely criticising others attempts to do so will never occur. This
is because once you have defined yourself publicly as a liar, the only way
forward is to maintain the fictions you mistakenly outed - even after you and
everyone have seen through them.
Kim Jones
On 20 Mar 2015, at 7:20 am, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
On 18 Mar 2015, at 18:07, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Liar Clark seriously ? you wanna go down that way, asserting Bruno is affraid
of machine intelligence where all is work is about computationalism ? really ?
I am glad you notice the anomaly. It looks like a lie, indeed.
It's so pathetic,
Yes. I wonder why he acts like that. How much conscious he is. Is it
incompetence or malice?
At least John acts in front of me. My usual opponents lied too, but behind my
back.
It comforts me somehow to hear those lies. It shows the problem is not my work,
but in the difficulty that some people have with fundamental question, on which
they have already their religion.
I still don't know if John Clark is aware of its aristotelian prejudices. But
may be it is lower than that, and it could be the usual jealousy or something.
Presenting me as against machine intelligence is frankly incredible, and very
low, as you say.
Bruno
I don't understand why you can stoop so low and lie so much against him... Is
he threatening you ? maybe because even competent is not an adjective we should
use with you.
Quentin
2015-03-18 17:57 GMT+01:00 John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com>:
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>> So, consciousness - evolutionary advantage or spandrell?
> Both. I would say.
Then the Turing Test works for consciousness and not just for intelligence. But
then you don't believe the Turing Test even works for intelligence because you
believe that the ability to do intelligent things has nothing to do with being
intelligent, an idea so breathtakingly silly nobody would dream of uttering it
unless they were driven to do so by their fear of intelligent machines. I guess
"competent machines" sounds less threatening to you.
John K Clark
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