On 09 Apr 2015, at 03:16, meekerdb wrote:
On 4/8/2015 5:34 PM, LizR wrote:
On 9 April 2015 at 11:16, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Apr 2015, at 02:35, Bruce Kellett wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Apr 2015, at 04:51, Bruce Kellett wrote:
I understand what you are claiming, but I do not agree with it. The
primary physical universe certainly exists,
Then computationalism is false. But what are your evidence for a
*primary* physical universe. That is an axiom
by Aristotle, and I believe animals are hard-wired to make some
extrapolation here (for not doubting the prey and the predators),
but there are no scientific evidence for a *primary* physical object.
There is no scientific evidence for a universal dovetailer either.
We don't need evidence here. The existence of the universal
dovetailer, and of all its finite pieces of executions is already a
theorem of very elementary arithmetic. Those things exist in the
same sense that prime number exist.
Which is merely as thought patterns in the brains of physical beings.
A large (and familiar on this list) metaphysical leap, which fails
to explain how two cultures can discover the same maths, or indeed
why maths "kicks back" at all.
I don't think it fails in that respect at all. Different cultures
live in the same universe with the same physics. Cultures are made
up of entities that compete in the Darwinian sense. So they are
bound to have the concept of units, addition, etc. It seems to me
that it may more of a problem to explain the conceptualization of
arithmetic in Bruno's TOE, even though it's built on arithmetic.
The entities in it that are conscious may have Borg like
consciousness with no concept of individuals - they are all "aware"
of the truths of arithmetic, so they all have the same thoughts.
They are aware of their beliefs/assumption/axioms/theories. They are
extensions of arithmetic, like "PA + I am in Helsinki" + what they can
deduce from that. Then, it is shown that hey have a rich "theology"
including physics, so we can compare with the empirical physics.
About Mars Rover, I don't know the program, and how much it has self-
referential abilities. I doubt Mars Rover is Löbian, so his
consciousness might the same as a ... salvia smoker (out of time and
without any memory).
Bruno
Brent
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