On 9 April 2015 at 11:16, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> On 08 Apr 2015, at 02:35, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>>
>>  Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07 Apr 2015, at 04:51, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand what you are claiming, but I do not agree with it. The
>>>>> primary physical universe certainly exists,
>>>>>
>>>> Then computationalism is false. But what are your evidence for a
>>>> *primary* physical universe. That is an axiom by Aristotle, and I believe
>>>> animals are hard-wired to make some extrapolation here (for not doubting
>>>> the prey and the predators), but there are no scientific evidence for a
>>>> *primary* physical object.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is no scientific evidence for a universal dovetailer either.
>>>
>>
>> We don't need evidence here. The existence of the universal dovetailer,
>> and of all its finite pieces of executions is already a theorem of very
>> elementary arithmetic. Those things exist in the same sense that prime
>> number exist.
>>
>
> Which is merely as thought patterns in the brains of physical beings.


A large (and familiar on this list) metaphysical leap, which fails to
explain how two cultures can discover the same maths, or indeed why maths
"kicks back" at all.

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