On 4/8/2015 5:34 PM, LizR wrote:
On 9 April 2015 at 11:16, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au
<mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Apr 2015, at 02:35, Bruce Kellett wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Apr 2015, at 04:51, Bruce Kellett wrote:
I understand what you are claiming, but I do not agree with
it. The
primary physical universe certainly exists,
Then computationalism is false. But what are your evidence for a
*primary* physical universe. That is an axiom by Aristotle, and
I
believe animals are hard-wired to make some extrapolation here
(for not
doubting the prey and the predators), but there are no
scientific
evidence for a *primary* physical object.
There is no scientific evidence for a universal dovetailer either.
We don't need evidence here. The existence of the universal dovetailer,
and of
all its finite pieces of executions is already a theorem of very
elementary
arithmetic. Those things exist in the same sense that prime number
exist.
Which is merely as thought patterns in the brains of physical beings.
A large (and familiar on this list) metaphysical leap, which fails to explain how two
cultures can discover the same maths, or indeed why maths "kicks back" at all.
I don't think it fails in that respect at all. Different cultures live in the same
universe with the same physics. Cultures are made up of entities that compete in the
Darwinian sense. So they are bound to have the concept of units, addition, etc. It seems
to me that it may more of a problem to explain the conceptualization of arithmetic in
Bruno's TOE, even though it's built on arithmetic. The entities in it that are conscious
may have Borg like consciousness with no concept of individuals - they are all "aware" of
the truths of arithmetic, so they all have the same thoughts.
Brent
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