On 16 Apr 2015, at 04:23, Bruce Kellett wrote:
LizR wrote:
In Bruno's "COMP 2013" paper he says
The notion of the first person, or the conscious knower, admits
the
simplest possible definition: it is provided by access to basic
memories. Consciousness, despite its non-definability, facilitates
the train of reasoning in humans; but we justifiably might have
used
digital machines instead.
Given this, in my opinion there is no problem with what is meant by
step 3. Bruno makes no attempt to define personal identity beyond
the contents of memories. Whether one "really" survives being
teleported, or falling asleep and waking up the next day, isn't
relevant. "Moscow man" is just the guy who remembers being Helsinki
man, then finding himself in Moscow (for example). Hence Helsinki
man can't predict any first person experience, only what will
happen from a 3p view. Or if he didn't know duplication was
involved, he would assume that he had a 50-50 chance of ending up
in M or W.
But this is a rather self-serving definition -- designed to fit in
with the conclusion he wants to draw. We are entering the realm of
the Humpty-Dumpty dictionary -- words no longer have their ordinary,
everyday meaning.
In science, all popular terms are redefined. This is just
clarification. You could attack Einstein and say that he refines terms
to suit his conclusion. You can pretend that those mad people who
pretend that the earth is round have just redefined the meaning of
earth. It is a universal critics bearing on the whole of science.
You must take the definition given, and study the proof, that's all.
if not, you are the one using argument of popularity which are
authoritative argument, and are non valid.
Bruno
Bruce
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