On 1 May 2015 at 12:34, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> LizR wrote:
>
>> On 30 April 2015 at 16:32, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au
>> <mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>
>>     So where are the space and time dimensions of Platonia? Not to
>>     mention the necessity of a Minkoskian metric. (Space and time are
>>     interchangeable only within the limits of the light cone.)
>>
>> Dimensions are (represented by) coordinate systems. Minkowski spacetime
>> is (represented by) a 4D manifold.
>>
>
> My point was that this has to emerge from the Platonia envisaged by Bruno
> -- it can't simply be imposed by fiat.
>

I was simply answering what you asked - if there was an original point to
do with comp it had either been truncated, or I missed it. I agree that
there is a requriement for Bruno (or his successors) to explain how time
and dimensions emerge from comp. (They do of course exist in Platonia as
mathematical objects - assuming, as you and I both do, that maths exists
tautologically).

>
> I have been looking again at Julian Barbour's book. His Platonia is
> essentially the configurations space of quantum mechanics: three spatial
> coordinates for every particle in the universe. In this Platonia all
> possible configurations of the universe are realized. This has a vast
> number of dimensions, but still some structure is imposed by knowing that
> space is three dimensional and that there was a big bang (at some point,
> not an imposed /beginning/).
>

Yes, I read that some time ago (or however he would put that ... in a
distant capsule / pigeon hole?)

I can't remember now if he uses the Wheeler-DeWitt equation as a basis for
his views - could you remind me?

>
> Computationalism does not have this head start -- it has to get it all
> from nothing.
>
> It does indeed.

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