On Saturday, May 30, 2015, Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 7:33 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lizj...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
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>> On 29 May 2015 at 16:34, Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','samiyaill...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
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>>> If we do not make the necessary effort, we will end up in the Fire due
>>> to our own negligence.
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>> That is known as "victim blaming". It's the psychology of a sadist - the
>> same as the rapist's "she was asking for it".
>>
>
> That's a horrible analogy!
> Consider the following verses:
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> http://quran.com/7/35-36 O children of Adam, if there come to you
> messengers from among you relating to you My verses, then whoever fears
> Allah and reforms - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they
> grieve. But the ones who deny Our verses and are arrogant toward them -
> those are the companions of the Fire; they will abide therein eternally.
>

Morally, how do you justify punishment for not believing something? You
may be foolish if you believe the wrong thing, but not bad. In this
respect, God's morals seem inferior to humans'.


> http://quran.com/7/172-174 And [mention] when your Lord took from the
> children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants and made them
> testify of themselves, [saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?" They said,
> "Yes, we have testified." [This] - lest you should say on the day of
> Resurrection, "Indeed, we were of this unaware." Or [lest] you say, "It was
> only that our fathers associated [others in worship] with Allah before, and
> we were but descendants after them. Then would You destroy us for what the
> falsifiers have done?" And thus do We [explain in] detail the verses, and
> perhaps they will return.
>
> http://quran.com/16/70-77 And Allah created you; then He will take you in
> death. And among you is he who is reversed to the most decrepit [old] age
> so that he will not know, after [having had] knowledge, a thing. Indeed,
> Allah is Knowing and Competent. And Allah has favored some of you over
> others in provision. But those who were favored would not hand over their
> provision to those whom their right hands possess so they would be equal to
> them therein. Then is it the favor of Allah they reject? And Allah has made
> for you from yourselves mates and has made for you from your mates sons and
> grandchildren and has provided for you from the good things. Then in
> falsehood do they believe and in the favor of Allah they disbelieve? And
> they worship besides Allah that which does not possess for them [the power
> of] provision from the heavens and the earth at all, and [in fact], they
> are unable. So do not assert similarities to Allah . Indeed, Allah knows
> and you do not know. Allah presents an example: a slave [who is] owned and
> unable to do a thing and he to whom We have provided from Us good
> provision, so he spends from it secretly and publicly. Can they be equal?
> Praise to Allah ! But most of them do not know. And Allah presents an
> example of two men, one of them dumb and unable to do a thing, while he is
> a burden to his guardian. Wherever he directs him, he brings no good. Is he
> equal to one who commands justice, while he is on a straight path? And to
> Allah belongs the unseen [aspects] of the heavens and the earth. And the
> command for the Hour is not but as a glance of the eye or even nearer.
> Indeed, Allah is over all things competent.
>
> Samiya
>
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