On 30 Jun 2015, at 19:43, John Clark wrote:
Terren Suydam <terren.suy...@gmail.com>
> What is it like to be a person going through a duplication
experience?
I know from experience that you expect one and only one answer
to that question but such a answer does not exist.
> I'd be interested to hear your take on exactly that...
what would it be like?
I walk into the duplicating chamber and then see Moscow AND I walk
into the duplicating chamber and then see Washington. I know that
you and most members of this list don't like that answer because
they find it odd, well tough, odd things happen in duplicating
chambers. Reality can't be paradoxical but is under no obligation
not to be odd.
> If you do take up the challenge, please stay with the first-
person perspective.
I can't, you just walked into a duplicating chamber and you
has been duplicated; so formerly there was one first-person
perspective but now there are two first-person perspectives
because that's what "duplicated" means. So there is no such thing as
*THE* first person perspective, all I can give you is *A* first
person perspective. And I already know how you will respond to
what I just said, it's the same thing that Bruno has parroted over
and over again "that's only from the 3p" as if that sequence of
ASCII characters actually meant something.
> a duplication experiment is indistinguishable from a many-
worlds splitting.
No it is not and I have explained several times exactly why it
is not and you have not disputed what I said but instead have simply
repeated that they are indistinguishable despite the FACT that
anyone can easily distinguish 2 Terren Suydams in one case but
only one in the other.
> I don't understand why you won't address these. It's the
heart of the matter.
The heart of the matter is I can't give an answer to a gibberish
question.
How could the question be gibberish when computationalism make it easy
to understand.
You are in Helsinki. OK. I hope this use of "you" is not ambiguous.
And you will remain alive in the duplication experience (you agreed on
this), and you are the guy, and will remain the guy, with that memory
of your time in Helsinki. So no ambiguity.
How would you (that you, still in Helsinki) evaluate the probability
or plausibility that you will experience, after pushing on the button:
1) opening a door of a reconstitution box?
2) opening a door of a reconstitution box and see one and only one city?
3) opening the door of a reconstitution box and see two cities at once?
Note that by definition of first person experience, "seeing two cities
at once" means literally being a person going out of the box and
directly aware of being in two cities, that is: writting in his 1-
diary: "I feel to be in the two cities at once". It is NOT "I feel to
be in one city, but I believe intellectually, trusting the protocol,
that I have a doppelganger in the other city".
Do you agree that it would be
1) P(opening a door of a reconstitution box) = 1
2) P(opening a door of a reconstitution box and see one and only one
city) = 1
3) P(opening the door of a reconstitution box and see two cities at
once) = 0.
What is your problem with this? Imagine that the reconstituted people
will never meet. In that case, if the question are gibberish, they are
as much gibberish with quantum superposition in place of classical
duplication, or you add some unknown magic to get a difference.
Bruno
John K Clark
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