The only sort of existence for which we have concrete evidence is physical existence. We can understand imaginary things, but we have no direct evidence for their existence -- certainly not for their physical existence.

Bruce


On 26/10/2015 2:44 pm, Jason Resch wrote:
There it is again. Where is your evidence? Or are you led by your faith?

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:


    On 10/25/2015 5:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
    On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Brent Meeker
    <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:


        On 10/25/2015 8:38 AM, Jason Resch wrote:

        On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 4:39 AM, Bruce Kellett
        <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au
        <mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote:

            On 25/10/2015 6:12 pm, Pierz wrote:

                It's hard to see how physics can be self-consistent
                without the a priori existence of arithmetic.


            Maybe it is because the self-consistency of physics is
            what makes arithmetic possible.

                Though admittedly that is a different point to
                whether or not physics is "emulated" in arithmetic.


            True. But no-one has yet emulated any physics in
            arithmetic. All the we have is mathematical accounts of
            discovered physical laws -- arithmetic based in physics.


        I recently replied to someone on the FOAR list who expressed
        a similar criticism:

             Something has to "run" the math... ;)  electricity or not.


        Isn't this being a bit one-sided?
        Physics can run itself, but objects in math cannot.
        A physical universe can exist independently of anything
        else, but a mathematical object cannot.
        A physical computation can result in consciousness, a
        mathematical computation results in nothing.

        From where does such bias originate?

        From experience as a physical being.


    Your experience provides evidence for the existence of the
    physical universe, but don't confuse this for evidence of the
    non-existence of anything outside the physical universe.

    You mean don't confuse it with existence of imaginary things?

    Brent


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