On 25 Jul 2016, at 22:00, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
> In our present case there is only one 3-1 view and two 1-
views.
I agree there are two 1-views, so when you talk about "THE 1-
view" I don't know which one you mean.
The unique 1-view that you will live with certainty (assuming
mechanism and the default hypotheses).
You known (with respect to the assumptions) that you will survive,
feeling one and unique, in box, and that whan you will open the box,
it will be either W or M. So the "THE" becomes the indexical on the
unique city you will live to be in, after you pushed on the button in
Helsinki. In helsinki, you know in advance that whatever happens, you
will survive in once city, and the "the" refers to that indexical
first person experience.
>> The Ohio and Missouri river merge with the Mississippi
and so does the Ohio, so if I'm going upstream on the Mississippi to
the end from New Orleans what one and only one place will I end
up at?
> You mean to the source?
I don't know what I mean but answer the question anyway, and if
you can't then it's a indeterminate question and I have made a
new profound discovery in philosophy.
>> Or is that a silly question?
> Silly question,
Once more I agree,
> You persist in demonstrating how irrational you need to be to
sustain your idea that there is no FPI in self-duplication.
Huh? The problem isn't that there is no FPI in self-
duplication, the problem is there are too many. Before the
duplication the guy would say from his FPI point of view "I only
care about what happens to me, I don't care what happened to that
other guy and I predict that after the duplication my attitude will
not change". And after the duplication both agree that the words
turned out to be true, but unfortunately for your case they would
very very strongly disagree on the meanings of the words "I" and
"me", one would say those words mean the guy who had been The
Helsinki Man but now sees Moscow, but the other insists the words
mean the guy who had been The Helsinki Man but now sees
Washington. So tell me Bruno, which one is right?
Obviously, both are right. The first person self, as well as the third
person self are "indexicals". I don't have to disagree with what I
thought some minutes ago, when I considered as *now*, because "now" is
an indexical, its meaning varies with time, and is relative to moments.
Likewise, both copies know that both are right when saying I feel to
be the original Helsinki person, as they assume computationalism. They
knew in advance that both would live the symmetrical 3-1 reality of
being in both cities, as a personal indexical asymmetrical situation
of the type W & ~M (resp M & ~W). They know they are both correct, and
that is why we have to do a statistics, of some sort, on the sound
extensions.
Bruno
>>In a world with person duplicating machines THE first person
does not exist.
>Then you die
No, you'd only die if A first person does not exist.
> If Aristotle is a Nitwit
There is no "if" about it, Aristotle was a nitwit, Plato too.
And although I didn't always feel that way right now thanks to you
I'm sick to death with all the ancient Greeks!
> why do you defend so much Aristotle theology? Ah, I know,
because you are a non agnostic atheist, that is a believer in
Aristotle's second god. Thanks for confirming that non agnostic
atheism is a variant of christian religion, but we already knew this.
Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never
heard that one before, at least I never heard it before I was 12.
Come on Bruno at least put a little effort and variety into your
insults, you're just not trying.
John K Clark
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