On 24 Jul 2016, at 01:09, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> John Clark's idea that he remains the one person John Clark,
Being the world's greatest expert on John Clark I can say
with some authority that is NOT John Clark's idea, instead it's that
if John Clark walks into a John Clark duplicating machine and
then sees different things John Clark will become 2 people each with
a equal right to the name John Clark. What "he" and various other
personal pronoun will see depends entirely on what if anything those
words mean in a world with John Clark duplicating machines.
> seeing both cities at once
Both don't see both cities at the same time, but John Clark
certainly will.
This is you clearest way to express your confusion between the 3-1
view and the 1-views.
With that theory we are already all the same person. I can accept, but
obviously, it is a bit of trivial, and does not address any question
of prediction. Even if we can say that the two copies is one guy, the
fact remain that for all copies, the measurement result (self-
localization on W , M) are different for each of the copies.
What "he" and various other personal pronoun will see depends
entirely on what if anything those words mean in a world with John
Clark duplicating machines.
Thanks for showing up the strategy to hide the first person witnessing
the consequence of mechanism.
> The FPI, like a measurement in physics needs a notion of
immediate knowledge,
In a world with "the" duplicating machines "the" does not
exist.
And poor misters M-Clark and W-Clark are asked to stay mute, as both
witnesses that the "the" in Helsinki made perfect sense after all, as
both say "Ah, that was *the* experience you asked me to predict!".
Yes, the unique experience of feeling in one city, that both live
after pushing the button in Helsinki.
It is interesting how your confusion 3-1 and 1 led you directly to
eliminate the first persons, or at least to your never taking their
discourses into account (despite that was the explicit object of the
exercise), and at the same time led you to introduce spooky action at
a distance in Everett QM. I feel like it comes from the same apparent
difficulties you have to take the first person discourses into full
account.
Also, we don't do philosophy or religion, so please stop talking like
if you knew that Aristotle is correct and Plato wrong, given that this
is exactly what you will surely doubt the day you can take the
different person points of view or modalities (1p singular, 1p-plural,
3-1, 1-3, etc.) into account.
In the math part, those distinction are made obligatory through
incompleteness, and can be formalized in arithmetic easily through the
logics of self-reference (G, G*, S4Grz, Z, X, etc.) and the
arithmetical or computer science theoretical interpretations.
Bruno
John K Clark
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