On 26 Jul 2016, at 19:29, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
>>> In our present case there is only one 3-1
view and two 1-views.
>> I agree there are two 1-views, so when you talk about
"THE 1-view" I don't know which one you mean.
> The unique 1-view that you will live with certainty
So "you" is the one (of the two ) with THE unique 1-view,
and "THE unique 1-view" is the view that "you" have, and
round and round we go. And apparently the other one (of the two)
does not have THE unique 1-view.
Nope.
Does that poor guy have any sort of view at all?
As much as the other one.
> So the "THE" becomes the indexical on the unique city you
will live to be in,
That's right Bruno, keep sweeping those foggy thoughts and fractured
logic under the "you" colored personal pronoun rug .
>> The problem isn't that there is no FPI in self-
duplication, the problem is there are too many. Before the
duplication the guy would say from his FPI point of view "I only
care about what happens to me, I don't care what happened to that
other guy and I predict that after the duplication my attitude will
not change". And after the duplication both agree that the words
turned out to be true, but unfortunately for your case they would
very very strongly disagree on the meanings of the words "I" and
"me", one would say those words mean the guy who had been The
Helsinki Man but now sees Moscow, but the other insists the words
mean the guy who had been The Helsinki Man but now sees
Washington. So tell me Bruno, which one is right?
> Obviously, both are right.
Obviously. And because of that it's equally obvious that personal
pronouns like "I" and "me"are ambiguous in a world that has
personal pronoun duplicating machines in it, and questions involving
those words usually are too.
The pronouns are just indexicals. No problem with that, except for you
apparently. "I" designates the M guy experience in Moscow, and the W
experience of the W-guy in W. That *is* the reason of the FPI.
> both copies know that both are right when saying I feel to
be the original Helsinki person,
True, therefore "what one and only one city will I see after I am
duplicated?" is not a question, it's just a sequence of words ending
in a question mark;
No, because, as we assume computationalism, the h-huy knows in advance
that from any of its foirst person accessible state in Helsinki, he
will survive in only once city, as as a two years old can see, both
confirms this.
Bruno
and any probability given about the likely answer to that "question"
is pure gibberish, and no amount of mathematics can change
that. Turing didn't invent the saying but he could have, garbage in
garbage out.
John K Clark
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