On 27 Feb 2017, at 01:43, John Clark wrote:
Bruno Marchal via googlegroups.com wrote:
>> There is no "maybe" about it, when it comes to the meaning of
words the majority is ALWAYS right,
> If you are right, then physicists are wrong on many
word, as a i saw in a BBC broadcasting where people were interviewed
on many elementary notion in physics, and have shown to have a
pregalilean physics.
What the hell does that have to do with the price of eggs?
Physical ideas are objectively true or false, but the definition of
words is subjective. Words mean whatever the most people say they
mean, and the entire point of words is communication, so if you have
your own private meaning of a word known by nobody but you then it
is utterly useless.
You describe the word when used in everyday life natural language.
Once we write scientific paper, we use more technical definition.
> Then you confuse the greek-indian notion of God,
Confuse my ass! This has NOTHING to do with God, this has to do with
the meaning of words and nothing more. Words have no intrinsic
meaning,
So you should not have a problem with some technical enlargement of
their meaning.
the only meaning word have is the meaning people decide to give them.
You make my point.
and those meanings always change with time. In Shakespeare's day if
you were "egregious" then you were distinguished, if you were
"nice" then you were silly and if you were "silly" then you were
blessed. It would be silly (and I don't mean blessed) to say we're
right and Shakespeare was wrong, we were both right in our day
because people have changed they mind about what words mean and the
majority is ALWAYS right.
> Yet, christians, like muslims and jews have kept alive their
platonic roots/tradition, and in that sense,
> can be said less wrong than some materialist theory. Why some
atheists are so inclined to forget all about a millenium of rational
theology is weird,
This has NOTHING to do with Christians, Muslims, Jews, Plato,
rationalists, materialists, theology or atheists; this has to do
with vocabulary and the fact that words mean what the majority
of people say they mean. And what the majority of people say a word
means always changes; as of 2017 the English word "G-O-D" means a
omnipotent omniscient intelligent conscious being who created the
universe.
Not at all. Not for the expert in the field, even when christian. Just
open a book on theology, even a modern one, or look at a dictionary.
You confuse a concept, and a particular theory.
I don't see the point of forgetting a millenium of honest inquiry in
the field of theology, to use a definition known as the one which has
kill the science to make it into a tool to prevent, and persecute the
free research.
The result is that you are accomplice with those who keep theology out
of science so that they can use authoritative argument.
That point is not even worth of debate, today that's just what
people mean by that word, except of course for people who for
whatever the reason are afraid to use the word "atheist" to describe
themselves,
I use "atheist" to describe myself when I am in a group which
genuinely accept agnostic atheism, but personal opinion are of no use
in science. In other groups I don't use it, as they use it with the
meaning of "belief that there is 0 god", which has as much meaning
that they are conception of God.
so for them the English word "G-O-D" means a fuzzy grey blob that is
non-intelligent and non-conscious and not a person, and that's just
silly. And I don't mean blessed.
In the machine theology, like in the platonician theology, the
question of seeing God as a person is an open, and well debated,
problem. Again, you confuse the concept of God with some particular
theory.
Bruno
John K Clark
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