On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>> >> John Clark agrees with Bruno Marchal that personal pronouns are >> ambiguous in a world that contains people duplicating machines because the >> referent will always be unclear, but for years John Clark has proposed is a >> very simple solution to this problem, just use proper nouns. > > > > > It clearly does not work, > If a proper noun is not the referent of the personal pronouns Bruno Marchal loves to through around with abandon then WHAT IS? When Bruno asks "what city will you see?" who exactly is Bruno asking the question of? > >>> >> >>> you ask a question which just does not make any sense. >> >> >> >> >> >> EXACTLY! PRECISELY! The question "what one and only one city will I see >> after I walk into that I duplication machine?" makes absolutely no senses. >> It's gibberish. > > > > > False. > Huh? You just said it's "*a question which just does not make any sense*". > > > as the two copies will easily confirm. > Then what is the the name of the one and only goddamn city that the two copies agree the Helsinki man ended up seeing??? If that question can't be answered with *ONE WORD* that proves the question is gibberish. And don't tell me it can't be predicted, I'm not talking about prediction I'm talking about history; you insist the Helsinki man will end up seeing Moscow OR Washington but not both, so now that the experiment is over tell me what one and only one city the Helsinki man ended up seeing. Let me put it another way, if after the experiment was over and you observed all the results you then got into a time machine and went back to Helsinki before the duplication and the Helsinki man asked you "what city will I end up seeing?" what one word would you utter in reply, Moscow or Washington? > >>>> >> >>>> >>>> No, I can't because you ask me for one answer, >>>> >>>> where we know that there are two answers. >>>> >>> >> >> >> EXACTLY! PRECISELY! >> And those two answers are Moscow AND Washington. >> > > > Ambiguous. > But you just said there are two answers, if Moscow and Washington are not those two answers then please tell me what those two answers are! If you can't do that then the answer is ambiguous because the question is ambiguous. >> >> And it's even known who will see what, The Washington man will see >> Washington and the Moscow man will see Moscow. > > > > > OK, that's correct, and confirms the necessary first person indeterminacy > lived by the guy in Helsinki. > How can it be indeterminate when a correct prediction has just been made? > >> You say "I" will see one and only one city so after the experiment is >> over it's not unreasonable to ask what that one unique city turned out to >> be. You admit such a question is ridiculous and I agree, > > > > > The question is not ridiculous. > I now quote a fellow by the name of Bruno Marchal: " *you ask a question which just does not make any sense*. " > >> >> After the duplication if you can point to one and only one person who >> wrote that diary then I'll stop saying " >> to >> hell with the diary" >> . >> > > > > I will no more answer this, as I have done it many times, > Bruno must have done so in that wonderful unicorn post that I've been hearing about for the better part of a decade but have never managed to find. >> >> >> That would be pointless because there is no way to tell if the pascal >> triangle, or anything else for that matter, had turned out to have made a >> correct prediction or not. > > > > > A simple counting argument shows this to be wrong. > Counting argument? What on earth are you going to count? There is no way to ever tell if a prediction turned out to be right or wrong. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
