On 11/27/2017 1:05 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:


On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 7:08:47 PM UTC, Brent wrote:



    On 11/26/2017 10:20 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:


    On 27 November 2017 at 16:54, <agrays...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
    wrote:



        On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:48:58 AM UTC,
        agrays...@gmail.com wrote:



            On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:44:25 AM UTC, stathisp
            wrote:



                On 27 November 2017 at 16:25, <agrays...@gmail.com>
                wrote:



                    On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:07:03 AM UTC,
                    stathisp wrote:



                        On 26 November 2017 at 13:33,
                        <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote:

                            You keep ignoring the obvious 800 pound
                            gorilla in the room; introducing Many
                            Worlds creates hugely more complications
                            than it purports to do away with;
                            multiple, indeed infinite observers with
                            the same memories and life histories for
                            example. Give me a break. AG


                        What about a single, infinite world in which
                        everything is duplicated to an arbitrary
                        level of detail, including the Earth and its
                        inhabitants, an infinite number of times? Is
                        the bizarreness of this idea an argument for
                        a finite world, ending perhaps at the limit
                        of what we can see?


                        --stathis Papaioannou


                    FWIW, in my view we live in huge, but finite,
                    expanding hypersphere, meaning in any direction,
                    if go far enough, you return to your starting
                    position. Many cosmologists say it's flat and
                    thus infinite; not asymptotically flat and
                    therefore spatially finite. Measurements cannot
                    distinguish the two possibilities. I don't buy
                    the former since they also concede it is finite
                    in age. A Multiverse might exist, and that would
                    likely be infinite in space and time, with
                    erupting BB universes, some like ours, most
                    definitely not. Like I said, FWIW. AG


                OK, but is the *strangeness* of a multiverse with
                multiple copies of everything *in itself* an argument
                against it?

-- Stathis Papaioannou


            FWIW, I don't buy the claim that an infinite multiverse
            implies infinite copies of everything. Has anyone proved
            that? AG


        If there are uncountable possibilities for different
        universes, why should there be any repetitions? I don't think
        infinite repetitions has been proven, and I don't believe it. AG

    If a finite subset of the universe has only a finite number of
    configurations and the Cosmological Principle is correct, then
    every finite subset should repeat. It might not; for example,
    from a radius of 10^100 m out it might be just be vacuum forever,
    or Donald Trump dolls.

    If there is a repetition, is it really a different universe?


Yes, because it would be located in a different position in the multiverse. AG


Position relative to what?  And don't answer relative to it's duplicate, because duplicate means the same in relation to everything too.

Brent


    What happened to Leibniz's identity of indiscernibles?

    Brent

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