On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>> >> In a world that contains first person duplicating machines there is no >> such thing as *THE* first person. > > > *>That would contradict computationalism immediately, because it would > mean that the first person in M has disappeared* > So in Brunomath if C is consciousness and C is duplicated then 2*C=0. Are you sure you're a mathematician? > > > or is a zombie, > Or a vampire or a werwolf or a fire breathing dragon. Isn't it time for you to start babbling about telepathy? > > *You seem to remain unable to put yourself in any possible continuation.* > You remain unable to put yourself in more than one continuation if **YOU* have been copied in a *YOU* duplicating machine.* > > > *You seem to deny that in W, the guy feel to be only in W, and is aware he > could not have predicted that outcome,* > Before the Helsinki was copied Mr. He couldn't have predicted the outcome or dome anything else for that matter because back then Mr. He did not exist. >> >> I can give a precise logically consistent definition of "Abbey", why >> can't you? > > > *>I can, but* > [...] > Ah yes, the all important "but". It is said it is wise to ignore everything a politician says before "but", and the same thing applies to you. *>we have to distinguish the 1p and the 3p.* > Then do so! Give me a definition of "Abbey" that is as precise and logically consistent as the one I gave. I don't think you can do it. > > > *Abbey is indeed surviving in both W and M,* > That statement will remain neither true nor false until you give us a precise and logically consistent definition of "Abbey" and don't change it from one paragraph to the next. I can do it why can't you? > *>We have agreed on all name and pronoun this time. * > Then what did we agree that "Abbey" means?? > > >>> >> >>> *as lived by any copies, which obviously cannot have a first person >>> perception of the two cities at once FROM that first person perspective.* >> >> >> >> >> That depends entirely on who the person in the first person perspective >> you keep talking about is! > > *>All of them* > If all of them are "Abbey" then "Abbey" saw 2 cities at the same time, but I don't think that's what you really mean by "Abbey", I don't think you know what you mean by "Abbey". Prove me wrong, give me a precise logically consistent definition of "Abbey" and let me hold you to it from one paragraph to the next and from one post to the next. John K Clark > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
