On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 7:24 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>> After duplication it would be misleading to call anything "THE Abby". >> Abby-1 is just Abby plus something extra, lets call it M. And Abby-2 is >> just Abby plus something extra that is different, lets call it W. Both are >> Abby but Abby-1 is not Abby-2. > > > *> Yes, we agree on this since day one.* At one time I thought so too but on day one for some strange reason you started babbling about telepathy somehow being involved and you still talk abut it, I had absolutely why you did that 5 years and I have no better idea why you still do it now. You ofter say you agree on a certain point but very soon it becomes clear you don't agree at all. *>But to answer to the step-3 question* The only step-3 question John Clark wants answered is who the hell is Mr. You? *>* > *we must keep in mind that it refers to the first person* In a world that contains first person duplicating machines there is no such thing as *THE* first person. >> >>> I define "Abby" as anyone who remembers being Abbey before the >>> duplication. Do you disagree? >> >> *>>No, we can go with that.* > > > *>Indeed.* This is a very good example of what I was talking about, you say you agree with the above definition of "Abbey" but I would bet money you really don't. >> OK, and since 2 people meet the definition of "Abbey" then there is >> simply no getting around the fact that "Abbey" will see 2 entirely >> different things at exactly the same time. > > > *>That is the 3-1 description* > Wow, that didn't take long! Despite the "indeed" above you are NOT using my definition of "Abbey". I can give a precise logically consistent definition of "Abbey", why can't you? > >** > * but that does not answer the question about the 1-description,* > The "question" was full of proper names with no definitions and personal pronouns with no referent. In short there was no answer because there was no question. > >* * > *as lived by any copies, which obviously cannot have a first person > perception of the two cities at once FROM that first person perspective.* > That depends entirely on who the person in the first person perspective you keep talking about is! I can give a precise logically consistent definition of "Abbey" and I don't have any need to change it on a daily bases, can you do the same thing? If you can't then you quite literally don't know what you're talking about. *>you dismiss the difference between the 1p self (both of which obviously > cannot feel to be in two places at once from their local current > perspective after the duplication) and the 3p perspective.* I'll make you a deal, give me a precise unambiguous definition of the "p" that you're using in the phrases "1p" and "3p" and I'll tell you if I really dismiss the difference between the two or not. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
