> On 21 Aug 2018, at 20:54, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > On 8/21/2018 1:42 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> If everything is digital, >> >> >> 99,9999999998 % of the arithmetical reality is not digitally emulable. Only >> brain and computers are digital with mechanism. Our body are not. That is >> how the non cloning can be proved from mechanism. No piece of matter at all >> could ever be simulated by a computer. > > You contradict yourself within one sentence. "A brain is digital and our > body is not"?? > > "No piece of matter at all could ever be simulated by a computer." but it is > simulated or created by the UD.
You might need to reread the reasoning. Mechanism is the bet that there is a level where we survive a (physical) digital substitution. Matter is the product of the indeterminacy on all computations below my substitution level. That is not necessarily computable. The range of the indeterminacy is also not computable. Indeed, it cannot be said all aberrant histories are eliminated. Eventually we need the full quantified qG* (which its highly undecidable) The UD never simulates “matter”. Matter is a first person plural view of the “border of the universal mind”. The universal mind is the mind of the universal machine. It is a universal first person indeterminacy phenomenon. The mathematics of this has begun with Gödel, Löb, Solovay. Incompleteness makes provable into a belief, and introduces the needed nuances to get a neoplatonician theology. The measure one logic is given by the arithmetical nuances on provability that I have given. The fact that []p&p obeys a different logic than []p & <>t explains why the knowability logic is different from the observability logic. That explains where the physical comes from. About consciousness, all you need to agree with is that your own, here and now, is true, knowable, actually indubitable, not provable, not definable. That defines a flux of differentiating consciousness with a precise mathematical structure, actually half mathematical and half personal. To simulate matter perfectly, you would need to complete each second the complete universal dovetailing. The strange thing: is that it seems we can approximate it very well through computation, at different level. The Sigma_1 arithmetic contains the infinitely many digital approximations of matter, but none is correct. I don’t claim it is true, just that it is testable. Bruno > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
