> On 21 Aug 2018, at 02:53, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au> wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 12:20:19PM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >> >> On 8/20/2018 11:42 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> When we assume compationalism. Yes. In that case consciousness is >> associated with a digital self-referential entity which cannot distinguish >> a “bottom” (primary) physical reality from an arithmetical reality >> >> >> But you didn't show that. > > This is directly the result at step 7 of the UDA. And it is pretty much > required for the Church Turing thesis to hold. Of course, step 7 relies on > robustness of the *-verse, for which step 8 is the remedy. > > But already, I believe the *-verse must be robust, as otherwise quantum > computing supremacy will never work. Empirical support of this contention is > due real soon now™. So I suspect step 8 could well be consigned to the > dustbin of history... > >> You only showed that it would be true if the digital >> entity were immersed in an environment. You argued that the environment >> could >> also be digital...but the doctor couldn't provide that. But then your >> argument >> fails. You've only shown that the digital entity can exist in a digital >> environment consisting of digital matter (including the entities digital >> brain). So you've just replicated the world except you've appended "digital" >> in front of every noun and relation. If everything is digital, then digital >> matter may be primary in this digital world. The adjective "digital" has >> lost >> it's metaphysical significance...unless you can derive some observable >> consequence of "digital". >> > > This is a critique of step 8 (the MGA), which curryfies the environment into > the computation. My money's on robustness being empirically confirmed in the > next few decades…
I would say that the robustness has never cease to be confirmed. It is what we live everyday. But to solve the mind-body problem, we have to explain that robustness by the “many-dreams internal interpretation of arithmetic/combinator/…”. Bruno > > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Principal, High Performance Coders > Visiting Senior Research Fellow hpco...@hpcoders.com.au > Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
