On 9/28/2018 2:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
It's not something outside mathematics that is true

OK.


in the sense that ice is cold.


That is also a belief by some machine, and it might be recovered in their phenomenology, in arithmetic.

We cannot discuss in the abstract. Doing metaphysics with the scientific method as for theory and means of verifying empirically the theory.

The mechanist theory predicts both matter and consciousness.

The question is whether it predicts that ice is cold.  It not at all impressive to say it predicts that a some machine will believe something like "ice is cold" when it also predicts some machine will also believe "ice is hot" and another that "ice is friendly" and that "ice is quadratic" and so on.

Brent


Materialist theory assume matter, with some magical attribute, and miss consciousness. So …


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