> On 29 Nov 2018, at 20:24, Philip Thrift <cloudver...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 10:44:05 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 27 Nov 2018, at 20:21, Brent Meeker <meek...@verizon.net <javascript:>> >> wrote: >> >> >> What is this "primary matter" of which you speak? > > > X is Primary means basically that we have to assume X (or something judged > enough equivalent). > > The idea of primary matter is the (physicalist) idea that we have to assume a > bit of physics, to get the physical law. It is used by people who dislike the > idea that matter might be explained without assuming anything physical. > > > > > My understanding of "primary matter" is that it is what matter (hyle) is > before it meets form, hence hylomorphism [ > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hylomorphism ]. > > Thomas Aquinas thought (from what I've read) that matter is that which gives > forms individual instances, or "character", like individual trees, or people, > etc. >
That is the usual Aristotelian explanation. It is inconsistent with the assumption of digital mechanism. > > > > > > > >> molecules? > > Assuming contemporary chemistry, molecules are explained by quarks and > electrons, and quantum mechanics. > > > Why are there so many articles today that claim to refute this? Read them, and if one convince you, you can explain it here. Note that the background of those paper are Aristotelian, where Mechanism enforces the platonic view (if only to define properly what is a computation or machine). Bruno > > [ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3262307/ ] > [ > https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/the-curious-wavefunction/historical-contingency-and-the-futility-of-reductionism-why-chemistry-and-biology-is-not-physics/ > ] > > - pt > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
