On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 5:26:14 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Nov 2018, at 20:24, Philip Thrift <cloud...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 10:44:05 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 27 Nov 2018, at 20:21, Brent Meeker <meek...@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> >> What is this "primary matter" of which you speak? >> >> >> >> X is Primary means basically that we have to assume X (or something >> judged enough equivalent). >> >> The idea of primary matter is the (physicalist) idea that we have to >> assume a bit of physics, to get the physical law. It is used by people who >> dislike the idea that matter might be explained without assuming anything >> physical. >> >> >> >> > My understanding of "primary matter" is that it is what matter (hyle) is > before it meets form, hence *hylomorphism *[ > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hylomorphism ]. > > Thomas Aquinas thought (from what I've read) that matter is that which > gives forms individual instances, or "character", like individual trees, or > people, etc. > > > That is the usual Aristotelian explanation. It is inconsistent with the > assumption of digital mechanism. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> molecules? >> >> >> Assuming contemporary chemistry, molecules are explained by quarks and >> electrons, and quantum mechanics. >> > > > Why are there so many articles today that claim to refute this? > > > Read them, and if one convince you, you can explain it here. Note that the > background of those paper are Aristotelian, where Mechanism enforces the > platonic view (if only to define properly what is a computation or machine). > > Bruno > > > The papers in scientific publications (in recent science news, etc.) mainly involve positing *downward causation*: There are chemical laws that cannot be reduced to physical laws, and these (higher-level chemical) laws are needed to explain currently "unsolved" problems in chemistry and biochemistry.
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