On 6/24/2019 2:29 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 11:18, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]
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On 24 Jun 2019, at 05:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
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On 6/23/2019 5:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Jun 2019, at 21:49, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
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On 6/21/2019 5:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Jun 2019, at 09:04, Bruce Kellett
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On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything
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To disconfirm MWI you'd have to observe statistics far
from the expected value,
To make my point more strongly, that is the wrong way round.
Observation of statistics far from the expected value is what
would be required to confirm MWI.
I don’t see this at all.
The fact that we don't observe such results is the strongest
possible case against MWI!
?
The probability to see a deviation is the same in both
Everett, and Copenhagen. The deviation expected is the same,
so if there is a deviation, it can hardly be used to claim one
theory is more correct than the other.
But as Bruce points out Tegmark's machine gun experiment is
effectively being carried out by each of us.
That is quantum immortality. On this list I have defend this,
but Tegmark rejected it, and claimed that the survival to
quantum suicide does not entail quantum immortality. He might
have changed his mind since, perhaps.
So if each of us lives on a million years in some branch of the
MW, then each of us will experience 99.9% of our life as a very
old person among people younger than 100yrs.
Unless there are intimidate realities in between Earth and Heaven.
It would still imply that each person would experience only a
small part of their existence surrounded by other persons whose
age differed by less that 120yr from their own. And so each of
us should be surprised that we find ourself in exactly that kind
of world.
Using some anthropoid argument, but like fine tuning, I tend to
agree with Vic that is is not really convincing, and should be
handled mathematically. Only progress in the mathematical theology
will show if this threat Mechanism or not.
Bruno
The thing is we should first be born before being 1000000 years... so
it seems not surprising finding yourself "young", that you are with
other "young" people.
That's seems to implicitly assume that everybody starts at the same
time, so they are young together and then old together (in the branches
they survive). I see no justification for conditioning on being young,
since the point of the argument is that given quantum immortality the
time you are young is of measure zero.
Brent
If our age was randomly selected, then I agree it should be a surprise
finding yourself young... but as you cannot be old *before* having
being young *you have to* find youself young first in the flow of your
life.
Quentin
Brent
That is the whole subject of mathematical theology. Computer
science justifies jumps and intermediate realities. It is not an
obvious subjects, but the nuances given by incompleteness
provides some light. Some personal experience, like with some
plants, can help, but can also mislead. Nothing is obvious, and
everything requires a lot of work.
Bruno
Brent
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