Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 19:30, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < [email protected]> a écrit :
> > > On 6/24/2019 2:29 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 11:18, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> a écrit : > >> >> On 24 Jun 2019, at 05:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 6/23/2019 5:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 21 Jun 2019, at 21:49, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 6/21/2019 5:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 21 Jun 2019, at 09:04, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> To disconfirm MWI you'd have to observe statistics far from the expected >>> value, >>> >> >> To make my point more strongly, that is the wrong way round. Observation >> of statistics far from the expected value is what would be required to >> confirm MWI. >> >> >> I don’t see this at all. >> >> >> >> The fact that we don't observe such results is the strongest possible >> case against MWI! >> >> >> ? >> >> The probability to see a deviation is the same in both Everett, and >> Copenhagen. The deviation expected is the same, so if there is a deviation, >> it can hardly be used to claim one theory is more correct than the other. >> >> >> But as Bruce points out Tegmark's machine gun experiment is effectively >> being carried out by each of us. >> >> >> That is quantum immortality. On this list I have defend this, but Tegmark >> rejected it, and claimed that the survival to quantum suicide does not >> entail quantum immortality. He might have changed his mind since, perhaps. >> >> >> >> So if each of us lives on a million years in some branch of the MW, then >> each of us will experience 99.9% of our life as a very old person among >> people younger than 100yrs. >> >> >> Unless there are intimidate realities in between Earth and Heaven. >> >> >> It would still imply that each person would experience only a small part >> of their existence surrounded by other persons whose age differed by less >> that 120yr from their own. And so each of us should be surprised that we >> find ourself in exactly that kind of world. >> >> >> >> Using some anthropoid argument, but like fine tuning, I tend to agree >> with Vic that is is not really convincing, and should be handled >> mathematically. Only progress in the mathematical theology will show if >> this threat Mechanism or not. >> >> Bruno >> > > The thing is we should first be born before being 1000000 years... so it > seems not surprising finding yourself "young", that you are with other > "young" people. > > > That's seems to implicitly assume that everybody starts at the same time, > so they are young together and then old together (in the branches they > survive). I see no justification for conditioning on being young, since > the point of the argument is that given quantum immortality the time you > are young is of measure zero. > > Brent > You have to be young first, your actual moment is not randomly sampled from all possible you moments, it is ordered. As very old is very unlikely, when in your first years, you should not find yourself around very old people. > > > If our age was randomly selected, then I agree it should be a surprise > finding yourself young... but as you cannot be old *before* having being > young *you have to* find youself young first in the flow of your life. > > Quentin > >> >> >> >> >> Brent >> >> That is the whole subject of mathematical theology. Computer science >> justifies jumps and intermediate realities. It is not an obvious subjects, >> but the nuances given by incompleteness provides some light. Some personal >> experience, like with some plants, can help, but can also mislead. Nothing >> is obvious, and everything requires a lot of work. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> Brent >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c0263226-63a2-183b-2e0b-c093be94bc20%40verizon.net >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c0263226-63a2-183b-2e0b-c093be94bc20%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/FDF9CDE1-D3EA-45F6-8DEC-20659FC0F1B9%40ulb.ac.be >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/FDF9CDE1-D3EA-45F6-8DEC-20659FC0F1B9%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c4f526ad-1ed0-d143-328c-5409fd16b642%40verizon.net >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c4f526ad-1ed0-d143-328c-5409fd16b642%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/B2423766-B9BA-4B22-9FB2-5831E7B63121%40ulb.ac.be >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/B2423766-B9BA-4B22-9FB2-5831E7B63121%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. 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