> On 24 Jun 2019, at 19:06, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 6/24/2019 2:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 24 Jun 2019, at 05:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/23/2019 5:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 21 Jun 2019, at 21:49, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>>>> <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6/21/2019 5:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 21 Jun 2019, at 09:04, Bruce Kellett <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To disconfirm MWI you'd have to observe statistics far from the >>>>>>> expected value, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To make my point more strongly, that is the wrong way round. >>>>>>> Observation of statistics far from the expected value is what would be >>>>>>> required to confirm MWI. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don’t see this at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> The fact that we don't observe such results is the strongest possible >>>>>>> case against MWI! >>>>>> >>>>>> ? >>>>>> >>>>>> The probability to see a deviation is the same in both Everett, and >>>>>> Copenhagen. The deviation expected is the same, so if there is a >>>>>> deviation, it can hardly be used to claim one theory is more correct >>>>>> than the other. >>>>> >>>>> But as Bruce points out Tegmark's machine gun experiment is effectively >>>>> being carried out by each of us. >>>> >>>> That is quantum immortality. On this list I have defend this, but Tegmark >>>> rejected it, and claimed that the survival to quantum suicide does not >>>> entail quantum immortality. He might have changed his mind since, perhaps. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> So if each of us lives on a million years in some branch of the MW, then >>>>> each of us will experience 99.9% of our life as a very old person among >>>>> people younger than 100yrs. >>>> >>>> Unless there are intimidate realities in between Earth and Heaven. >>> >>> It would still imply that each person would experience only a small part of >>> their existence surrounded by other persons whose age differed by less that >>> 120yr from their own. And so each of us should be surprised that we find >>> ourself in exactly that kind of world. >> >> >> Using some anthropoid argument, but like fine tuning, I tend to agree with >> Vic that is is not really convincing, and should be handled mathematically. >> Only progress in the mathematical theology will show if this threat >> Mechanism or not. > > It's certainly not convincing to just say "it's not convincing". Vic gave > specific arguments for his position, which was that there is no quantum > immortality. It is not the case that in QM "everything happens"...there are > light bands where particles don't land in a Young's slit experiment.
You don’t need that everything happens to be quantum-immortal or computation-immortal. You need only consistent (or sound) extensions, and some relevant structure on them (provided freely by incompleteness, precisely the logic of the material modes, which happens to be logic of quantum-like alternatives). It seems to me that Vic argument against Fine-Tuning was not relying on the existence of quantum immortality, though, but I will take a look asap. Bruno > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/576cfe20-45af-bdc5-9aff-01321cda998e%40verizon.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/576cfe20-45af-bdc5-9aff-01321cda998e%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1BF6D406-4086-4AA5-9F0D-CC13C20E8DF5%40ulb.ac.be.
