Well, if consciousness is wholly indexical (the original word by Liebniz) why not then have a mechanism for data transfer to another cosmos, to the clone, the nearest, closest, continuer? Yeah, this only confuses things, but it's an idea by the cell biologist Bob Lanza 20 years ago. Non-satisfying, and I can go ahead and invoke unicorns too. However, data preservation is kind of related to this via, computer science & cosmology (originally the black hole bet, tween Hawking & Susskind).
-----Original Message----- From: Philip Thrift <cloudver...@gmail.com> To: Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sun, Sep 15, 2019 1:39 am Subject: Re: Why Consciousness Cannot Be Algorithmic In Sabine Hossenfelder's post on Sean Carroll's Many Worlds book http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2019/09/book-review-something-deeply-hidden-by.html someone raised conscious beings: Martien 9:05 AM, September 12, 2019 One of the arguments of Philip Ball against the Many Worlds Interpretation is that he believes that the 'self' or 'soul' cannot branch of in different multiverses. This doesn't seem to be a good argument to me. Imagine one would be able to make a clone of me, kind of twin, in this world. Both versions of me would descent from me (Martien) and live on as Martien-a and Martien-b. An identicical history and memory upto a point in time, and hereafter they live their own lives. In principle the same could be argued for splittng universes. It is akin to speciation of life-forms. Maybe Ball's objection comes from a (religious) belief in a soul which can exist separate from a body, I don't know. The link: https://www.quantamagazine.org/why-the-many-worlds-interpretation-of-quantum-mechanics-has-many-problems-20181018/ Philip Thrift 5:05 AM, September 13, 2019 Actually, Philip Ball's article seems to suggest that MWI leads to consciousness being either immaterial or nonexistent (it is some sort of illusion, or confusion)...."And if consciousness — or mind, call it what you will — were somehow able to snake along just one path in the quantum multiverse, then we’d have to regard it as some nonphysical entity immune to the laws of (quantum) physics. For how can it do that when nothing else does?" But some of the scientific sort are (when one examines closely their "theory") what Galen Strawson calls* "consciousness deniers", so MWI may be a type of consciousness denial - the denial that there one has a real 'self':https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/13/the-consciousness-deniers/ Martien 10:18 AM, September 13, 2019 But why along just one path? Philip Thrift 2:31 AM, September 14, 2019 Selves (unlike "basic" brains) are not considered (very much, if at all) by scientists as something to be part of scientific theories. So maybe there are (self-less) brains, being split every Planck-time second, and then each one independently going on doing what it does. But selves (self-full brains) doing that seems to me to create a nightmarish scenario of spit personalities. Galen Strawson - What are Selves?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh0qASdSsNY Martien 9:28 AM, September 14, 2019 Imagine God as creator of the multiverse having to send zillions copies of a deceased sinner to hell or purgatory, that is those who did nor repell their sins. Assuming of course that God and hell are not part of the splitting. @philipthrift On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 5:43:33 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 at 05:24, Philip Thrift <cloud...@gmail.com> wrote: I really couldn't follow this paper - many worlds (of QM) vs. multiverse (of cosmology) seemed all mixed up. The author essentially disagrees with the idea that a person can be copied, whatever the mechanism. On Friday, September 13, 2019 at 9:45:10 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: This should be of interest to the list: Refuting Strong AI: Why Consciousness Cannot Be Algorithmic Andrew Knight Cite as: arXiv:1906.10177 [physics.hist-ph] (or arXiv:1906.10177v1 [physics.hist-ph] for this version) Brent -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c61962ba-ac5d-43c0-a2f0-640d9b704fad%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2024549627.7670389.1568579207978%40mail.yahoo.com.
