On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 2:44:05 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Sep 2019, at 17:00, Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 4:02:09 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> I think he means one can replace a human brain and/or nervous system with >> computer microchips and consciousness will be preserved, or perfectly >> simulated so the person who says "Yes doctor", will awake from the surgery >> thinking he/she's the same person, like awakening from unremarkable >> surgery. From my pov, this belief is a huge, huge stretch since we can even >> define what consciousness IS. AG >> > > Bruno; does "Yes doctor" mean that a patient accepts as fact that removing > his/her brain and/or nervous system and replacing it with microcircuits > preserving the same functions, yields a surgical result such that the > patient upon awakening seems to him or herself, and others, as the same > "person" who previously approved the surgery? > > > The patient cannot accept this as a fact. It is something he can hope > only. Then, if mechanism is true, by definition he was correct, but even > after the operation, he cannot claim that as a fact, despite its personal > impression. He might have lose a faculty and not be aware of it, like > people can become blind and be unaware of the change, in some special brain > disease (anosognosia). > > > > Is this the essence of mechanism? If not, please elaborate. TIA, AG > > > > Yes, it is mechanism, but it requires an act of faith. > > Now, to be sure, taking a plane, or even a bike, requires some faith too, > but here, that play an important role in the sequel, and so that nuance has > to be taken into account. > > Rational machine have a surrational corona extending what they can > justify. That corona has a precise mathematical structure, and is used to > derive the laws of physics from arithmetic. > > Bruno >
Can you name one law you have established or proved using your theory? AG > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everyth...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/f2deceff-c0b2-4991-b54b-c8b78a8b46e8%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/f2deceff-c0b2-4991-b54b-c8b78a8b46e8%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/fe2e890d-9b61-4f0a-9874-9236c218b553%40googlegroups.com.
