On 11/20/2019 11:26 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:


On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 3:00:25 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:



    On 11/20/2019 11:49 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:


    On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 12:59:32 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:



        On 11/19/2019 11:41 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:


        On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 3:59:47 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:



            On 11/19/2019 1:43 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:

             A diffraction pattern emerges in video recordings of
            single-photon double-slit experiments whether anyone
            sees the video or not. what changes is the image on the
            video frame-by-frame. If you take a video of a an arrow
            shot from a bow, it follows a parabolic curve, and what
            changes is its position frame-by-frame.

            So when your path integral formulation predicts various
            probabilities for position of photon absorptions by the
            video camera nothing has changed when positions are
            actualized in the recording.  All the same probabilities
            obtain.  Which is the MWI view.

            Brent




        In the cases of *Quantum Measure Theory* (Rafael Sorkin),
        *Real Path Quantum Theory* (Adrain Kent), or -- in another
        type of formulation -- *Cellular Automaton Interpretation*
        [of Quantum Mechanics] (Gerard 't Hooft), I don't see what
        "change" means in your terms.

        Those methods assign probabilities (measures) to specific
        possible outcomes (measurements).  When one is observed, it
        is used as an initial condition for further predictions.  If
        it's not observed then further predictions are conditioned on
        all the possible outcomes.  That's a change.

        Brent



    Except in the theories -- QMT, RPQT -- themselves, nothing is
    observed (or needs to be observed), because /there are no
    observers/ ("alternative to the textbook formalism of
    state-vectors and external *observers*").t


    And that's why they fail to predict observations.  But they do
    assign probabilities to specific events and they condition those
    on prior events or not.

    Brent




They all make predictions.

/The Schrödinger equation is not the only way to study quantum mechanical systems and/
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/*             make predictions*./
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/The other formulations of quantum mechanics include matrix mechanics, introduced by Werner Heisenberg, and the *path integral formulation**, developed chiefly by Richard Feynman. Paul Dirac incorporated matrix mechanics and the Schrödinger equation into a single formulation.
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How will we know whether the predictions are right or not, unless they are predictions of observations?

Brent


** From path integral formulation to Schrödinger's equation*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relation_between_Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_equation_and_the_path_integral_formulation_of_quantum_mechanics#From_path_integral_formulation_to_Schr%C3%B6dinger's_equation
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