Incidentally, I read yesterday that William Shatner is hugely skeptical about aliens coming hundred or thousands of light years from Earth, only to remain anonymous. I suppose he has a point, but maybe they're local, say natural residents on one of the moons of Jupiter or Saturn. What offends me about your view of aliens, is that it's *unscientific *but implicitly claims to be otherwise*. * The fact is about 5% of the sightings are inexplicable. Sagan also fell into that trap. I recall a dinner I had with him (and his 2nd wife) where that pov controlled his negative conclusion. AG
On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote: > Yes, because you believe *YOU* are conscious and we're similarly > constituted; that is, created by a virtually identical process. But for > computers to be conscious, implies those who built them somehow *stumbled > *onto constructing a living entity without knowing what life or living > is. Most improbable IMO. AG > > On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 10:24:20 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 11:06 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> *> AFAIK, all attempts to create life in a test tube have failed.* >> >> >> Artificial life made in lab can grow and divide like natural bacteria >> <https://www.newscientist.com/article/2272899-artificial-life-made-in-lab-can-grow-and-divide-like-natural-bacteria/> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> *> Am I supposed to believe that computer scientists have created >>> conscious entities even though they have zero understanding of what >>> consciousness is? AG* >> >> >> Am I supposed to believe that you are conscious even though I have zero >> understanding of what your consciousness is? >> >> >> John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis >> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> >> >> yvc >> >> >> >> >> 868 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/09c4b14a-18b4-4891-8b3c-c58ac52042d2n%40googlegroups.com.
