It's pretty clear, in fact obvious, that you regard other human beings as conscious for the reasons I stated. So there's nothing to argue about here. You want to argue that because Evolution apparently *stumbled* on to consciousness, it's reasonable to assume human computer scientists could have, or indeed have done the same. But whatever Evolution did, it took billions of years. Claiming human computer scientists did something similar in a few decades at most, is hugely implausible. What's hugely reasonable, is that something almost indistinguishable from consciousness or intelligence has been created, but nothing more. AG
On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-6 John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 1:44 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: > > *> Yes, because you believe YOU are conscious and we're similarly >> constituted; that is, created by a virtually identical process.* > > > If the process that created you is *virtually *identical with the process > that created me then you and I are *virtually *the same person. Are we? I > don't think so. > > * > But for computers to be conscious, implies those who built them >> somehow stumbled onto constructing a living entity without knowing what >> life or living is.* > > > And yet random mutation and natural selection somehow* stumbled* onto a > way of constructing billions of intelligent entities and at least one of > them, me, is conscious. And Evolution did this without knowing what > intelligence is or what consciousness is or in fact what ANYTHING is. > However, that can be easily explained if consciousness is the inevitable > byproduct of intelligent behavior because, unlike consciousness, natural > selection can detect intelligent behavior. > > John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> > >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5237db94-3bc3-4224-bb28-b534e01114acn%40googlegroups.com.
