On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 4:28 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote:
*> This is a dumb discussion.* I've noticed. > * > You admit, more or less, that you don't know what consciousness is, > yet you insist that's what AI is manifesting.* No, I don't insist that an AI must be conscious, I just insist that it's equally logical for me to conclude an AI is conscious as it is for me to conclude that Alan Grayson is conscious. *> This discussion can go nowhere as long as you persist in this type of > behavior, which in principle not unlike what Trumpers [blah blah]* Wow, calling a guy known for disliking Trump a Trumper, never heard that one before, at least I never heard it before except by you about 1000 times before. John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> cz9 > > On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 3:25 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> *> It's pretty clear, in fact obvious, that you regard other human beings >>> as conscious* >> >> >> YES. >> >> >>> > *for the reasons I stated.* >> >> >> NO. For thousands of years, long before anyone knew anything about >> Evolution or electronics or much of anything else people believed that >> their fellow human beings were conscious some of the time but not all of >> the time. They believed they were conscious when they were behaving >> intelligently but they did not believe their fellow human beings were >> conscious when they were sleeping or under anesthesia or dead because then >> they were not behaving intelligently. >> >> >>> *> But whatever Evolution did, it took billions of years.* >> >> >> That's because Evolution is ridiculously slow and clumsy but until it >> got around to inventing a brain it was the only way complex objects could >> get built. These days, ironically thanks to intelligent design, things >> happen much faster and they are about to happen even faster. >> >> >>> *> Claiming human computer scientists did something similar in a few >>> decades at most, is hugely implausible.* >> >> >> Hugely implausible or not, that is exactly precisely what is happening >> right before your eyes. I'm not a young man but I'm starting to think there >> is a good chance I will live long enough to personally experience the >> Singularity, and I wouldn't have said that six months ago. And I'm not sure >> that's a good thing because it might not be much fun. >> >> >>> > *What's hugely reasonable, is that something almost indistinguishable >>> from consciousness or intelligence has been created, but nothing more.* >> >> >> Do you believe the Pope when he says every Catholic Mass is able to >> magically turn bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus Christ, not >> symbolically but literally, even though the bread and wine at the end of >> the silly religious ceremony is indistinguishable from what it was at the >> beginning? If you believe in the above voodoo about consciousness it's not >> much of a step to believe in the Pope's voodoo too. >> >> >> >> >> v0o >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1cO6zzhAXbv8mXqNqcerVPv3x%2BTVhq-jFy%3D8uzdCga7Q%40mail.gmail.com.
