On 9/28/2024 4:52 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 12:19 AM Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
*>> Albert Einstein went from understanding precisely nothing
in 1879 to being the first man to understand General
Relativity in 1915, and you knew that the human genome only
contains 750 megs of information, and yet that is enough
information to construct an entire human being.*
/> Also takes certain nourishment and environment, which is not
zero information./
*Nourishment is not information,*
Sure it is, not all calories are equal. And growing an embryo into a
baby isn't done your kitchen sink.
*and energy will not be a problem for an AI, that's why God made
nuclear reactors. *
*>>___Aaronson_: /Come on! 256^750,000,000 is vastly greater
than the number of possibilities one could search through
within the lifetime of the universe./**
**_Me_: I agree, and yet it's a fact that random mutation and
natural selection managed to stumble upon it in only about 500
million years. *
/> More like 3.5 billion years. /
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*If we're talking about intelligencethen in the 3.5 billion year
history of life the first 3 billion years were irrelevant because
during that time there simply wasn't any. *
First, even bacteria and archea exhibit rudimentary intelligence. So
advanced intelligence wasn't built on nothing. Rocks had the same start
3.5 billion years ago, they didn't develop intelligence.*
*
*It was only about 500 million years ago that multicellular animals
came on the scene and anything even vaguely resembling a "brain"
evolved that was able to extract information from the environment and
use that information to improve the animal's chances of getting its
genes into the next generation. *
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*Oh I suppose you could say that even a single celled creature can
move away from something that's too hot or too cold, but if you count
that as intelligence then you'd also have to say a thermostat is
intelligent. *
I do. Intelligence admits of degrees.*
*
*And if you do that then the word starts to lose its meeting.
*
Not at all. Does weight lose it's meaning because you're a lot heavier
than a bacterium?
/> First life evolved then eukaryotic life evolved then.../
*There is certainly no reason for modern softwareengineersto repeat
all of the dead ends, irrelevancies and downright silliness that
Evolution dreamed up during the last 3.5 billion years! Evolution is a
_TERRIBLE_ engineer,it makes stupid designs (as expected for something
involving _random_ mutation) , it's ridiculously slow, and requires
gargantuan resources. It's not strictly relevant but Natural Selection
is also hideously cruel.
*
But evolution developed the intelligence we have, a lot of silliness
succumbed to natural selection. The funny thing is that software
engineering seems to have fallen into a form of unnatural selection as
they train bigger and bigger LLMs so they no longer understand what
they've "engineered".
Brent*
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