Indeed. I didn't know what an MVP was when they first contacted me and asked if I wanted to be one. I thought maybe somebody had finally taken notice of my solid glove work at 3rd base.
-Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 6:51 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > > ...and some of us worked hard and got it without knowing of > its existence. > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I > Tech Consultant > hp Services > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Martin Blackstone > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 8:10 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > Oh please. I have things from vendors all over my desk. F5, > Zones, Quest, Printer Ribbons Plus, MS, Dell, Compaq, Jack > in the Box, etc. > None of this stuff had nothing to do with being an MVP. I > also don't do business with all those vendors. If you think I > am going to be influenced by a 2.00 stuffed animal with a > logo on it when I go to spend $10K or more, you are insane. > > People work hard to get that MVP and they work hard to keep > it. We give of our own free time to help others who may not > have the skill level or the knowledge to help themselves yet. > Its help and training for them. If I can help someone shut > down their open relay or stop virus's, I am helping myself in > the long run. It is also VERY educational. My company reaps > those rewards and encourages me to continue doing what I do. > > I'm not sure where you work, but where I work I am treated as > a professional. It wasn't always like that here. I was > shunned when I first started here because of their experience > with past IT people. I earned their trust every step of the > way. Now I am consulted on all levels and my work carries > heavy weight here. One reason is because I am ethical. I > stand by word and my word is golden. The other reason is > because I am a professional. I give them honest, insightful > an thoughtful opinions and responses. I also listen. I am > open to ideas of others. I work for an MS centric shop. It > was like that before I got here and it will be like that long > after I am gone. But you cant do everything on MS products. > If there is something that cant be done via MS, we find other > products that may do the job. It doesn't have to be "The MS > way or the highway" regardless of what you may think. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:50 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > So, you are going to tell me that you have never received any sort of > compensation at all for being an MVP. I am talking T-Shirts, plastic > toys, anything and even the TITLE of MVP. If you receive ANY FORM OF > COMPENSATION, it is a conflict of interest. Plain and simple. Ask any > lawyer if they are allowed to accept ANYTHING for free. The answer is > absolutely not. > > In IT, it is a different story and the difference is because IT is a > trade and lawyers are professionals. As long as we in IT continue to > operate in this mode, we will be seen as trades-people, the > air-conditioning repair guy or plumber, not professionals. > > The MVP program is a horrible, horrible insidious device that > will help > keep IT at the trade level. Plus, once you accept the title, > you are now > the property of the vendor. You will consciously or > unconsciously have a > bias toward that vendor and keeping that title. This means > that you will > not "tell it like it is" in public and instead voice concerns > in private > to your vendor. > > If you all want to be trades-people instead of professionals, > then keep > on with your MVP program. I tend to believe that the entire > IT industry > is irrevocably broken. Compare it to engineers, lawyers and other > professionals and it does not stack up well. And that is sad, > because we > could be professional, but we have no ethics. > > > > I'm very interested to know what secret compensation he is speaking > > of. Deckler, care to elaborate? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:22 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > > > > Yeah. You should see the developers run whenever Chris > starts walking > > towards them. > > > > Andy, you forgot to tell me about that "direct > compensation" you get > > for being an MVP. Unless he's talking about that t-shirt? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:11 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: Re: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > > > > lol > > Thanks for the good laugh. > > I have found that the harshest critics of Microsoft > products are the > > MVPS themselves. > > > > Andy David > > Microsoft MVP. > > There, is that better? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Greg Deckler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:05 AM > > Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > > > > > My point is that it serves no useful purpose to cast > aspersions as > > > to people's attitudes and motivations because everyone is > biased in > > > one way or another. > > > > > > I believe that this is really systemic with regards to > the problems > > > of the IT industry as a whole. The entire industry is vendor and > > > tool focused and that is a huge problem in IT. It tends > to polarize > > > people such that everyone is grouped into two categories, people > > > that hate a particular vendor or tool and people that love a > > > particular vendor or tool. This is just plain stupid. > > > > > > The IT industry has some fundamental problems. Microsoft, > as part of > > > that industry suffers from some of the same problems as > well as some > > > > of their own unique deficiencies. Novell has their own unique > issues, > > > so does IBM and so does every other vendor in this space. But it > seems > > > that you cannot point out these deficiencies without people > > > categorizing and stereotyping you in one way or another. I reject > > > that. > > > > > > I hate all vendors of software tools equally. I find this an > > > absolute requirement to provide true, unbiased consulting > services. > > > If you were to follow my posts on a GroupWise board or a Notes > > > board, you would see me make similar arguments regarding the > > > deficiencies of their products and company. However, since I make > > > most of my revenue from Microsoft products and Exchange, > I tend to > > > be more active in that area. > > > > > > And the other thing that REALLY chaps me is people that cast > > > aspersions on others without fessing up to their own biases. MVP's > are > > > the worst of this lot. They secretly get direct compensation from > > > Microsoft and then try to pass themselves off as > unbiased. But you > > > look at their posts and it is obvious that they are simply paid > > > advocates for Microsoft and part of their responsibility is to > vilify > > > anyone that says anything negative with regards to Microsoft. And > > > these are the same people that list every last certification and > other > > > acronym that they can paste onto the end of their sig, > but you never > > > > see Microsoft MVP. I wonder why? Microsoft asked me to > become an MVP > > > > and I told them to go jump in a lake. More people need to > take this > > > approach and be true consultants, not advocates. > > > > > > > Are you saying that your own interpretation of your own > attitude > > > > is unbiased? Or that your own evaluation of whether or not your > > > > paranioa about how Microsoft are out to get you is unbiased? > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > Also an MVP by the way. > > > > Want to throw some mud at me too? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 > > > > > Sent: 07 February 2003 11:43 > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > And Ed, if I am not mistaken, you are also a > Microsoft MVP,=20 > > > > >so whose interpretation is unbiased, mine or yours? =20 > > > > > > I continue to believe my interpretation of your attitude is > > > > > >more=20 accurate than your defense thereof. =20 > > > > > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I > > > > > > Tech Consultant > > > > > > hp Services > > > > > > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! > > > > > >=20 > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
