Any company that would sit out in the parking lot with the public hanging around while they decided the direction of their products would be idiots.
Why must you look at MVP's as MS lackies? Why cant you look at them as advocates for the public? You have heard from a number of MVP's today that tell you exactly that, but you refuse to open your mind. In essence saying we are all lying. Here is how you see it: MS: Here is a new feature. MVP: That sucks MS: But you will tell everyone how great it is MVP: OK Here is how it really is: MS: Here is a new feature. MVP: People will not like this. It is too much like the old feature that people didn't like and was too hard for them to use. MS: OK, thanks for the input. We will look into it. MVP: Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 3:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects This proves my point. These discussions take place in private, not public. > Big time. You should have been in the room with the Outlook MVPs and > the Outlook Dev guys last Summit talking about the new security > features. I feared lives would be lost. > > -Ben- > Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 > Director of Information Services > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 4:15 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > No kidding. Until you have sat in a room with 10 MVP's and > > some MS development people, you have no idea. > > > > Martin Blackstone > > Microsoft MVP. > > Mmmmm MVP > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 6:11 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: Re: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > > > > lol > > Thanks for the good laugh. > > I have found that the harshest critics of Microsoft products > > are the MVPS > > themselves. > > > > Andy David > > Microsoft MVP. > > There, is that better? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Greg Deckler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:05 AM > > Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > > > > > My point is that it serves no useful purpose to cast > > aspersions as to > > > people's attitudes and motivations because everyone is > > biased in one > > > way or another. > > > > > > I believe that this is really systemic with regards to the > > problems of > > > the IT industry as a whole. The entire industry is vendor and tool > > > focused and that is a huge problem in IT. It tends to > > polarize people > > > such that everyone is grouped into two categories, people > > that hate a > > > particular vendor or tool and people that love a particular > > vendor or > > > tool. This is just plain stupid. > > > > > > The IT industry has some fundamental problems. Microsoft, > > as part of > > > that industry suffers from some of the same problems as > > well as some > > > of their own unique deficiencies. Novell has their own > > unique issues, > > > so does IBM and so does every other vendor in this space. > > But it seems > > > that you cannot point out these deficiencies without people > > > categorizing and stereotyping you in one way or another. I reject > > > that. > > > > > > I hate all vendors of software tools equally. I find this > > an absolute > > > requirement to provide true, unbiased consulting services. > > If you were > > > to follow my posts on a GroupWise board or a Notes board, you > > > would see me make similar arguments regarding the deficiencies of > > > their products and company. However, since I make most of my > > > revenue from Microsoft products and Exchange, I tend to be more > > > active in that area. > > > > > > And the other thing that REALLY chaps me is people that cast > > > aspersions on others without fessing up to their own > > biases. MVP's are > > > the worst of this lot. They secretly get direct compensation from > > > Microsoft and then try to pass themselves off as unbiased. But you > > > look at their posts and it is obvious that they are simply paid > > > advocates for Microsoft and part of their responsibility is > > to vilify > > > anyone that says anything negative with regards to Microsoft. And > > > these are the same people that list every last > > certification and other > > > acronym that they can paste onto the end of their sig, but > > you never > > > see Microsoft MVP. I wonder why? Microsoft asked me to > > become an MVP > > > and I told them to go jump in a lake. More people need to take > > > this approach and be true consultants, not advocates. > > > > > > > Are you saying that your own interpretation of your own > > attitude is > > > > unbiased? Or that your own evaluation of whether or not your > > > > paranioa about how Microsoft are out to get you is unbiased? > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > Also an MVP by the way. > > > > Want to throw some mud at me too? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 > > > > > Sent: 07 February 2003 11:43 > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > And Ed, if I am not mistaken, you are also a Microsoft > > MVP,=20 so > > > > >whose interpretation is unbiased, mine or yours? =20 > > > > > > I continue to believe my interpretation of your attitude is > > > > > >more=20 accurate than your defense thereof. =20 > > > > > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I > > > > > > Tech Consultant > > > > > > hp Services > > > > > > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! > > > > > >=20 > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
