Ill throw in 2 cent on this thread. starting with W2k3 MS has ripped the TS CAL out of XP - W2k Pro.. YOU must! purchasing it at like 80.00 per TS - CAL
now if your still running W2k..that's another story...and you have been..umm "grandfathered" provided you where running W2K TS and those w2k-xp pro machine had been using TS Now the above may have changed since like march -may when they told me all this at a MS thingy for Partners reselling..etc... prior to w2k3 svr release.....umm yes I gave them pleny O stuff on this Now..for my environment here...which is primary sales..at this time I choose NOT to let my guy's VPN with there laptops.. evey remote type user uses Citrix-TS session's..work's very well...I is easy to walk anybody thru setup's problems..etc...likely way easier then if I had all those VPN tunnels... BUT true in the future to get more functionallity to my sales guy's those with Laptops will get VPN tunnels. For those "home office" users..they will continue with TS- Citrix sessions it depends on Yours and your business needs etc.. depending on what you will design to get the functionality to your users.... Im finding I will have soem type of hybrid..to meet the requirements of my Org.. PS the TS- Citrix stuff..Man I can deploy a new office anywhere in the world in no time..all I need is an internet connection..bang you have everything you need.. bill -----Original Message----- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:08 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Port 135 and Exchange Issue Thoughts from his manager? lol As in all of these things, it depends on the company. Simple is relative term and troubleshooting VPN issues with remote users can be a headache in itself. I could easily argue that using the NFUSE web interface to access Citrix is a heck of lot easier to walk Joe Salesguy through at his hotel rather than trying to figure out why he cant connect to the VPN. One another note, since hopefully most corporate laptops are using W2k or XP, there are no requirements to buy TS CALS to access a Terminal Server. At least for now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Blackstone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Port 135 and Exchange Issue > I would disagree. Lets say Joe Salesguy is on a flight. He is working on a > big sales proposal that needs to go out ASAP. He is meeting with the company > the next day. > Using OL with offline folders he is able to go over past conversations > regarding the clients needs and thoughts from his manager. Then he is able > to write the proposal, and have everything ready. > He lands, gets to his hotel, connects to the net, initiates the VPN and the > mail is on its way. His work is done and everyone is happy. > > You could do this with TS, it would just mean a little more work. > > I guess what my thinking is, is why invest all this extra money in TS Cals > or Citrix CAL's and ask everyone to completely change the way they work when > all you really need is a VPN. It would probably cost less and be much more > user friendly. No changes to their work flow, just a simple icon they click > on after they connect. > > Your solution is totally viable. I just don't see the point in asking > everyone to change their workflow for what is really a quite simple problem > and solution. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:48 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Port 135 and Exchange Issue > > If you dont have an Internet or RAS connection your not getting anywhere > regardless of your e-mail client. You have to copy files to your local drive > to work on them in any case and thats not really an issue with Terminal > anymore and its very simple with Citrix. > > Jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:45 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Port 135 and Exchange Issue > > > That's what I kept thinking.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:11 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Re: Port 135 and Exchange Issue > > Makes laptop use a little tough though. > > > From: "Hague, Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:23:15 -0400 > > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: RE: Port 135 and Exchange Issue > > > > Definitely more costly but it really works well. The setup and > > configuration aspects alone (client-side anyway) are much simpler and > > the performance is probably much better than a straight VPN solution. > > I think if you look it at all the factors there is a positive "ROI". > > > > Jeff > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:43 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Port 135 and Exchange Issue > > > > > > That's certainly an option, but a much more costly one IMHO. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 5:43 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Port 135 and Exchange Issue > > > > Have you considered Terminal Server or (better yet) Citrix? This works > > wonders for us - full Outlook & Exchange as well as all the other apps > > we run. We only have a dozen or so users so far but my understanding > > is that Terminal by itself on one decent server (dual Xeon > > 2.0GHz/1.5GB RAM) is fine for 20 or so clients simultaneously. Beyond > > that, Citrix on top of Terminal is the way to go. Citrix also > > provides better support for local printers, sound cards, etc plus a > > host of additional functionality. Either 1 requires only a single > > port through the firewall which hasnt been blocked by any ISPs > > (yet?) and the traffic is already encrypted although I dont imagine > > its as "tight" as most VPN solutions. The other thing we found so > > convenient is the "Advanced" Terminal client which is simply a web > > page that loads the client software through an ActiveX control in an > > IE session. The directions to get our clients set up was litterally > > "go to wwww.whatever.com and follow the instructions". There is some > > work to do getting the apps set up properly but common apps like > > Outlook, Word and Excel are very well documented. Getting our custom > > apps > running wasnt near as difficult as I had expected either. > > The big trick for us is handling profiles because some of our clients > > can not have access to certain apps that other clients need so we had > > to modify some profiles manually but with so few clients it hasnt been > > a > big deal. > > > > Jeff Hague > > MCSE > > Network Manager > > Randolph-Macon College > > Ashland, VA > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hank [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 3:18 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: Port 135 and Exchange Issue > > > > > > We are trying to recover from ISPs closing down port 135. We have an > > dedicated Exchange Server at a hosting company. 20 of our 23 people > > scattered around the country can not use the full functionality of > > Outlook/Exchange because of this problem. > > > > We are a classic case study of how a company has suceeded in business > > by using most of the functionality of Outlook/Exchange. We built our > > 3 year old company's communications, task management, and database > > using the Exchange Platform, including extensive use of custom 'forms' > > that track hundreds of tasks and our workflow. > > > > The ISP's closing out port 135 has brought us to our knees. We are > > scambling just trying to stay on schedule with our committments to our > > clients. > > > > I have no hope that the ISPs will turn open up 135 again, so I also > > need an alternative way to connect to the *full* functionality we had > > before, or be forced to migrate completely off exchange and rebuild > > our entire infrastructure using another platform. > > > > We have tried to implement a VPN solution, but now realize that unless > > we run the connection on our client and have a full internet > > connection at the same time, this will not work for us. We do not > > know how to do this. We must have full access to the internet and > > exchange at the same time because of the nature of our service we provide. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Regards, > > Hank > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang > =english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang > =english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang > =english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang =english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
