From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 11:58 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How many of you use Message Level Recovery ?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:56 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How many of you use Message Level Recovery ?
I worked with a law firm that did what normal businesses do, they throw out their garbage, and the garbage company picks it up. Well, one idiot threw out some important papers, and the garbage company took it away. Actually in this case the papers were in a large paper recycling bin.
Next day, new policy - all paper trash will be held for 30 days. So now they have to build a new area to hold all this extra paper. And pay for new bins, etc.
Never underestimate corporate overreaction to a stupid mistake.
-----Original Message-----
From:
Carstairs, Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:38 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How
many of you use Message Level Recovery ?
I always feel that if the User put a piece of normal paper mail
in the bin.
Then once been removed from their office by
the cleaners and but in the
buildings garbage. Would
they be willing to go down to the local landfill
site 6
months later and try to retrieve it???
So why once they
have deleted an e-mail, then emptied there recycle bin, do
they expect to be able to get the mail back 6 months later???
just my thoughts on the matter.
Graeme
-----Original Message-----
From: STEVE
BROOK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 31 October 2001 16:52
To:
MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How many of you
use Message Level Recovery ?
"Horses for Courses" - It really does depend on your type of
business
environment. On this particular customer
site, some sales deals in one
department can take a year
to complete. I have been asked to retrieve
mails
from 6 -7 months previous (The answer at the time was no as we did
not do Brick Level Backup, and I was not going to restore the
whole
Private store for one mail & unfortunately the
user had deleted the
archive.pst) After getting it in
the neck for that one, we are now doing
BLB's
P.S. What is the maximum retention time with E2K anybody know?
SB
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From:
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Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 4:29 PM
To:
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Subject: RE: How many of you
use Message Level Recovery ?
Why the "!"?
I have been using a DIR period of 35 days ever since going live
with
Exchange 5.5 2 years ago. In all of that
time, we have NEVER had to do
a
message or mailbox restore from tape.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew
Goddard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 11:14 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How
many of you use Message Level Recovery ?
People sometimes want a mail restored that they deleted more
than 90
days
ago!
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 31 October 2001 14:10
To: MS-Exchange Admin
Issues
Subject: RE: How many of you use Message Level
Recovery ?
> You may wonder why we bother with BLB when we have such a
long deleted
item retention period:
> a) It is occasionally handy to restore an
individual email without
using a separate "restore
server"
> b) Restoring an single
email can be quicker - "hero factor" when
someone's in
trouble!
> c) Gives a "belt and
braces" approach to backup
But, but, but...! With such a long DIR period, you don't
NEED BLB to do
a),
b), &
c)!!! ::confused:: No separate "restore server" is needed;
and
DIR
is quick, quick, quick
(vite, even!).
re: c) -- my dentist said that braces probably wouldn't do me
any
good....
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-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew
Goddard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 6:04 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How
many of you use Message Level Recovery ?
We use it quite successfully, but only subject to the
following:
1) We also do a
full regular backup each night
2) We have a backup window than allows both
BLB and full backup
each
time
3) We have
enough space on the tapes for BLB and full backups
4) We use Veritas (not ArcServe!)
5) We have a long deleted item
retention period (90 days) so
individual
message recovery is rarely needed.
6) It has never caused any faults
7) It is regularly tested
You may wonder why we bother with BLB when we have such a long
deleted
item
retention
period:
a) It is
occasionally handy to restore an individual email without
using a separate "restore server"
b) Restoring an single email can be quicker
- "hero factor" when
someone's in trouble!
c) Gives a "belt and braces"
approach to backup
I would _never_ recommend only doing BLB, but if 1-7 above are
all OK
then
it can be
useful. I think if you restore from a full backup, exmerge a
couple of emails out of the restore and then into the
production server,
you
lose SIS
for these emails. For a full restore I'd always use the full
backup not the BLB.
Hope this helps
Cheers,
Andrew.
-----Original Message-----
From:
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Sent: 30 October 2001 20:21
To: MS-Exchange Admin
Issues
Subject: RE: How many of you use Message Level
Recovery ?
<http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm>
<http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_appxf.htm>
from the archives....
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The Top Ten
Reasons why William Doesn't recommend Brick-level backups:
10. The only product he's tried it with is ArcServeIT
(*shudder*)
9. Brick-level backups should be done in
conjunction with regular
backups
therefore duplicating the process.
8. Brick-level
backups don't clear the transaction logs
7. Brick-level
restores (esp of the entire store) are VERY slow
6.
Brick-level restores result in loss of Single Instance Storage
5. Brick-level backups do not properly maintain all of the data
structures
in the store that you might
need for a full restore (at least Computer
Associates
product doesn't).
4. The alternative is so much easier
and cleaner - deleted item
retention.
Set deleted item retention to say 30 days, a little user education
and
they
can do their own
mailbox' restore.
3. Regular use of exmerge (to pst
files for backup) for important
mailboxes
is another alternative.
2. Section 3.11
at: <http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_sec3.htm>
says
so (ok, I don't do everything I'm
told either).
1. The archives at the Exchange list at
swynk.com are full of
Brick-level
horror stories.
-William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+ (and a brand new Exchange
MVP!)
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Brick Level
Backups will not cause your car to rust out or your hair to
fall
out. They are unlikely to make your
system less reliable (but no
guarantees
there), nor make your normal non-brick-level backups less
reliable.
They
do, however, use
more tape, make your backup jobs take more time and
wear
your tape drive out faster. They give
you a false sense of security
that
you can get something back when in fact you may not. And you
often
cannot
get everything back
from a brick level backup.
Brick Level Backup is a kludgy crutch for administrators who
insist on
managing their Exchange systems as if they
were cc:Mail or MS Mail
systems.
They want the benefits of a database e-mail architecture, but want
to
manage
it as if it were a
file-based system.
If you follow the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method®, you can
remain
secure in
the knowledge
that you'll almost never need to do a Brick Level Restore.
If, for some rare event you find that you need to restore a message
or
mailbox, then you have a great opportunity to
practice your disaster
recovery techniques on your
recovery server. What? You don't have a
recovery server? Well, you need one whether or not you use Brick
Level
Backup.
In a nutshell, Brick Level Backups aren't evil. But
they're completely
superfluous.
-Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
**************
-Michèle
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lot more
as
they get older, then
it dawned on me...they were cramming for their
finals...
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kumar,
Ashish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 3:08 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: How many of
you use Message Level Recovery ?
Hi all,
have seen some interesting discussions on this forum, and Id
like to as
a
very basic
question(this is not for market research.
What are your experiences with single message recovery, or
mailbox
recovery
from products
like legato, ultrabac, veritas, commvault etc ?
Do you actually use it, how much and how often ? Is this a very
basic
requirement for your selection of the product that
you do backup and
recovery with.
With your help I'll probably get help making a decision I need
to make ,
so
thanks in advance
!
regards,
Ash
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