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Subject: RE: How many of you use Message Level Recovery ?of course -- isn't that what we all do?-Michèle
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Subject: RE: How many of you use Message Level Recovery ?I think that Michèle would set a policy that was reasonable and tailored to the specific needs of the firm. I'm sure that if the firm explained to Michèle in a calm and reasonable way that they needed 120 days of DIR, she would configure the servers appropriately.And still not use BLB.-- Drew
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Subject: RE: How many of you use Message Level Recovery ?Dream on McDuff.-----Original Message-----
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Subject: RE: How many of you use Message Level Recovery ?damn straight!-Michèle
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Subject: RE: How many of you use Message Level Recovery ?I would guess, if Michèle were to deploy Exchange in a law firm, email archiving policy would be so clearly documented and implemented that nobody would dare ask about a wayward email from the days of yore.A total guess though.William-----Original Message-----
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Subject: RE: How many of you use Message Level Recovery ?Every organization has it's own demands. Try telling a law firm that.
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Why the "!"?
I have been using a DIR period of 35 days ever since going live with
Exchange 5.5 2 years ago. In all of that time, we have NEVER had to do a
message or mailbox restore from tape.-Michèle
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People sometimes want a mail restored that they deleted more than 90 days
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Subject: RE: How many of you use Message Level Recovery ?
> You may wonder why we bother with BLB when we have such a long deleted
item retention period:
> a) It is occasionally handy to restore an individual email without
using a separate "restore server"
> b) Restoring an single email can be quicker - "hero factor" when
someone's in trouble!
> c) Gives a "belt and braces" approach to backup
But, but, but...! With such a long DIR period, you don't NEED BLB to do a),
b), & c)!!! ::confused:: No separate "restore server" is needed; and DIR
is quick, quick, quick (vite, even!).re: c) -- my dentist said that braces probably wouldn't do me any good....
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From: Andrew Goddard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 6:04 AM
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Subject: RE: How many of you use Message Level Recovery ?
We use it quite successfully, but only subject to the following:
1) We also do a full regular backup each night
2) We have a backup window than allows both BLB and full backup each
time
3) We have enough space on the tapes for BLB and full backups
4) We use Veritas (not ArcServe!)
5) We have a long deleted item retention period (90 days) so individual
message recovery is rarely needed.
6) It has never caused any faults
7) It is regularly testedYou may wonder why we bother with BLB when we have such a long deleted item
retention period:
a) It is occasionally handy to restore an individual email without
using a separate "restore server"
b) Restoring an single email can be quicker - "hero factor" when
someone's in trouble!
c) Gives a "belt and braces" approach to backupI would _never_ recommend only doing BLB, but if 1-7 above are all OK then
it can be useful. I think if you restore from a full backup, exmerge a
couple of emails out of the restore and then into the production server, you
lose SIS for these emails. For a full restore I'd always use the full
backup not the BLB.Hope this helps
Cheers,
Andrew.-----Original Message-----
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<http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm>
<http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_appxf.htm>
from the archives....
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The Top Ten Reasons why William Doesn't recommend Brick-level backups:10. The only product he's tried it with is ArcServeIT (*shudder*)
9. Brick-level backups should be done in conjunction with regular backups
therefore duplicating the process.
8. Brick-level backups don't clear the transaction logs
7. Brick-level restores (esp of the entire store) are VERY slow
6. Brick-level restores result in loss of Single Instance Storage
5. Brick-level backups do not properly maintain all of the data structures
in the store that you might need for a full restore (at least Computer
Associates product doesn't).
4. The alternative is so much easier and cleaner - deleted item retention.
Set deleted item retention to say 30 days, a little user education and they
can do their own mailbox' restore.
3. Regular use of exmerge (to pst files for backup) for important mailboxes
is another alternative.
2. Section 3.11 at: <http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_sec3.htm> says
so (ok, I don't do everything I'm told either).
1. The archives at the Exchange list at swynk.com are full of Brick-level
horror stories.-William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+ (and a brand new Exchange MVP!)
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Brick Level Backups will not cause your car to rust out or your hair to fall
out. They are unlikely to make your system less reliable (but no guarantees
there), nor make your normal non-brick-level backups less reliable. They
do, however, use more tape, make your backup jobs take more time and wear
your tape drive out faster. They give you a false sense of security that
you can get something back when in fact you may not. And you often cannot
get everything back from a brick level backup.Brick Level Backup is a kludgy crutch for administrators who insist on
managing their Exchange systems as if they were cc:Mail or MS Mail systems.
They want the benefits of a database e-mail architecture, but want to manage
it as if it were a file-based system.If you follow the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method®, you can remain secure in
the knowledge that you'll almost never need to do a Brick Level Restore.
If, for some rare event you find that you need to restore a message or
mailbox, then you have a great opportunity to practice your disaster
recovery techniques on your recovery server. What? You don't have a
recovery server? Well, you need one whether or not you use Brick Level
Backup.In a nutshell, Brick Level Backups aren't evil. But they're completely
superfluous.-Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
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From: Kumar, Ashish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 3:08 PM
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Subject: How many of you use Message Level Recovery ?
Hi all,
have seen some interesting discussions on this forum, and Id like to as a
very basic question(this is not for market research.What are your experiences with single message recovery, or mailbox recovery
from products like legato, ultrabac, veritas, commvault etc ?Do you actually use it, how much and how often ? Is this a very basic
requirement for your selection of the product that you do backup and
recovery with.With your help I'll probably get help making a decision I need to make , so
thanks in advance !regards,
Ash
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