So from what you all have told me, from an administration and maintenance perspective BLB sux.
So why is every one of you is asking this question to all the vendors ?
"Q> Do you have mailbox level recovery ?" and if the answer is "NO NO!" ...
"and the reasons are "blah_blah!!"" the answer is "OH those guys have it, and those too...how come you don't have it?..." etc etc....
From a business perspective vendors are getting asked this question from end users (business and technical decision makers like you all) ALL THE TIME so
maybe there's some disconnect here.
Management doesn't care HOW you do it, they care on whether you CAN do it or not. They prefer if you CAN.
And what I've gleaned from this thread is that some of you DO use mailbox or mail level recovery and have a business need for it, maybe as an extension
of DIR or as a vendor product feature. Sure, no one recommends it, it bumps up costs, hardware, software and maintenance, and probably many don't set it
up, but everyone asks for it and it is among the "number one" questions for evaluating and buying a product.
thanks for all the feedback!
regards,
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Every organization has it's own demands. Try telling a law firm that.
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use Message Level Recovery ?
Why the "!"?
I have been using a DIR period of 35 days ever since going live
with
Exchange 5.5 2 years ago. In all of that
time, we have NEVER had to do a
message or mailbox
restore from tape.
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From: Andrew
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People sometimes want a mail restored that they deleted more
than 90 days
ago!
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Recovery ?
> You may wonder why we bother with BLB when we have such a
long deleted
item retention period:
> a) It is occasionally handy to restore an
individual email without
using a separate "restore
server"
> b) Restoring an single
email can be quicker - "hero factor" when
someone's in
trouble!
> c) Gives a "belt and
braces" approach to backup
But, but, but...! With such a long DIR period, you don't
NEED BLB to do a),
b), & c)!!!
::confused:: No separate "restore server" is needed; and DIR
is quick, quick, quick (vite, even!).
re: c) -- my dentist said that braces probably wouldn't do me any good....
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-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew
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Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 6:04 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How
many of you use Message Level Recovery ?
We use it quite successfully, but only subject to the
following:
1) We also do a
full regular backup each night
2) We have a backup window than allows both
BLB and full backup each
time
3) We have enough space on the tapes for
BLB and full backups
4) We
use Veritas (not ArcServe!)
5) We have a long deleted item retention
period (90 days) so individual
message recovery is
rarely needed.
6) It has
never caused any faults
7)
It is regularly tested
You may wonder why we bother with BLB when we have such a long
deleted item
retention period:
a) It is occasionally handy to restore an
individual email without
using a separate "restore
server"
b) Restoring an
single email can be quicker - "hero factor" when
someone's in trouble!
c) Gives a "belt and braces" approach to
backup
I would _never_ recommend only doing BLB, but if 1-7 above are
all OK then
it can be useful. I think if you
restore from a full backup, exmerge a
couple of emails
out of the restore and then into the production server, you
lose SIS for these emails. For a full restore I'd always use the
full
backup not the BLB.
Hope this helps
Cheers,
Andrew.
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<http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm>
<http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_appxf.htm>
from the archives....
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The Top Ten
Reasons why William Doesn't recommend Brick-level backups:
10. The only product he's tried it with is ArcServeIT
(*shudder*)
9. Brick-level backups should be done in
conjunction with regular backups
therefore duplicating
the process.
8. Brick-level backups don't clear the
transaction logs
7. Brick-level restores (esp of the
entire store) are VERY slow
6. Brick-level restores
result in loss of Single Instance Storage
5. Brick-level
backups do not properly maintain all of the data structures
in the store that you might need for a full restore (at least
Computer
Associates product doesn't).
4. The alternative is so much easier and cleaner - deleted item
retention.
Set deleted item retention to say 30 days, a
little user education and they
can do their own
mailbox' restore.
3. Regular use of exmerge (to pst
files for backup) for important mailboxes
is another
alternative.
2. Section 3.11 at: <http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_sec3.htm>
says
so (ok, I don't do everything I'm told
either).
1. The archives at the Exchange list at
swynk.com are full of Brick-level
horror stories.
-William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+ (and a brand new Exchange
MVP!)
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Brick Level
Backups will not cause your car to rust out or your hair to fall
out. They are unlikely to make your system less reliable
(but no guarantees
there), nor make your normal
non-brick-level backups less reliable. They
do,
however, use more tape, make your backup jobs take more time and wear
your tape drive out faster. They give you a false sense
of security that
you can get something back when in fact
you may not. And you often cannot
get everything
back from a brick level backup.
Brick Level Backup is a kludgy crutch for administrators who
insist on
managing their Exchange systems as if they
were cc:Mail or MS Mail systems.
They want the benefits
of a database e-mail architecture, but want to manage
it
as if it were a file-based system.
If you follow the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method®, you can
remain secure in
the knowledge that you'll almost never
need to do a Brick Level Restore.
If, for some rare
event you find that you need to restore a message or
mailbox, then you have a great opportunity to practice your
disaster
recovery techniques on your recovery
server. What? You don't have a
recovery
server? Well, you need one whether or not you use Brick Level
Backup.
In a nutshell, Brick Level Backups aren't evil. But
they're completely
superfluous.
-Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
**************
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lot more as
they get older, then it dawned on me...they
were cramming for their
finals...
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Ashish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 3:08 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: How many of
you use Message Level Recovery ?
Hi all,
have seen some interesting discussions on this forum, and Id
like to as a
very basic question(this is not for market
research.
What are your experiences with single message recovery, or
mailbox recovery
from products like legato, ultrabac,
veritas, commvault etc ?
Do you actually use it, how much and how often ? Is this a very
basic
requirement for your selection of the product that
you do backup and
recovery with.
With your help I'll probably get help making a decision I need
to make , so
thanks in advance !
regards,
Ash
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