Why archive into the PSTs? Is file-server hd space cheaper than exchange server hd space? Unless you have the Standard edition, in which case I understand...
-- Drew ******************************** Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Freedom is hard. In the name of freedom, the world has made peace and waged war. It is hard for those who want peace to hear the shouts of those who demand war. It is hard for those who believe that war is a just cause to hear the pleadings of those who want to give peace one more chance. Freedom is hard. (Wren Walker) -----Original Message----- From: STEVE BROOK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: How many of you use Message Level Recovery ? In reality, probably not a lot. In our case, twice in about four years. But you can bet that the once will be the the time that a multi million pound deal is resting on that mail. The ideal situation: NO BLB's - daily backups - monthly archived backup tape - Client archive pst's on server that is backed up - weekly procedures including test restores - spare restore server. I wish life was always like that SB -----Original Message----- From: Robin Lawrie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 4:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: How many of you use Message Level Recovery ? In reality, does this actually happen quite a lot? I'm curious because we're about to implement a 90 day DIR in my company. What is the size of your user base? -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Goddard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 October 2001 16:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: How many of you use Message Level Recovery ? People sometimes want a mail restored that they deleted more than 90 days ago! -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 October 2001 14:10 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: How many of you use Message Level Recovery ? > You may wonder why we bother with BLB when we have such a long deleted item retention period: > a) It is occasionally handy to restore an individual email without using a separate "restore server" > b) Restoring an single email can be quicker - "hero factor" when someone's in trouble! > c) Gives a "belt and braces" approach to backup But, but, but...! With such a long DIR period, you don't NEED BLB to do a), b), & c)!!! ::confused:: No separate "restore server" is needed; and DIR is quick, quick, quick (vite, even!). re: c) -- my dentist said that braces probably wouldn't do me any good.... -Michèle Immigration site: <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com> Our new 2001 Miata: <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley> Tiggercam: <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk> --------------------------------------------------------- I am in shape. Round is a shape... --------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Goddard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 6:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: How many of you use Message Level Recovery ? We use it quite successfully, but only subject to the following: 1) We also do a full regular backup each night 2) We have a backup window than allows both BLB and full backup each time 3) We have enough space on the tapes for BLB and full backups 4) We use Veritas (not ArcServe!) 5) We have a long deleted item retention period (90 days) so individual message recovery is rarely needed. 6) It has never caused any faults 7) It is regularly tested You may wonder why we bother with BLB when we have such a long deleted item retention period: a) It is occasionally handy to restore an individual email without using a separate "restore server" b) Restoring an single email can be quicker - "hero factor" when someone's in trouble! c) Gives a "belt and braces" approach to backup I would _never_ recommend only doing BLB, but if 1-7 above are all OK then it can be useful. I think if you restore from a full backup, exmerge a couple of emails out of the restore and then into the production server, you lose SIS for these emails. For a full restore I'd always use the full backup not the BLB. Hope this helps Cheers, Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 30 October 2001 20:21 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: How many of you use Message Level Recovery ? <http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm> <http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_appxf.htm> from the archives.... ************** The Top Ten Reasons why William Doesn't recommend Brick-level backups: 10. The only product he's tried it with is ArcServeIT (*shudder*) 9. Brick-level backups should be done in conjunction with regular backups therefore duplicating the process. 8. Brick-level backups don't clear the transaction logs 7. Brick-level restores (esp of the entire store) are VERY slow 6. Brick-level restores result in loss of Single Instance Storage 5. Brick-level backups do not properly maintain all of the data structures in the store that you might need for a full restore (at least Computer Associates product doesn't). 4. The alternative is so much easier and cleaner - deleted item retention. Set deleted item retention to say 30 days, a little user education and they can do their own mailbox' restore. 3. Regular use of exmerge (to pst files for backup) for important mailboxes is another alternative. 2. Section 3.11 at: <http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_sec3.htm> says so (ok, I don't do everything I'm told either). 1. The archives at the Exchange list at swynk.com are full of Brick-level horror stories. -William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+ (and a brand new Exchange MVP!) ************** Brick Level Backups will not cause your car to rust out or your hair to fall out. They are unlikely to make your system less reliable (but no guarantees there), nor make your normal non-brick-level backups less reliable. They do, however, use more tape, make your backup jobs take more time and wear your tape drive out faster. They give you a false sense of security that you can get something back when in fact you may not. And you often cannot get everything back from a brick level backup. Brick Level Backup is a kludgy crutch for administrators who insist on managing their Exchange systems as if they were cc:Mail or MS Mail systems. They want the benefits of a database e-mail architecture, but want to manage it as if it were a file-based system. If you follow the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method®, you can remain secure in the knowledge that you'll almost never need to do a Brick Level Restore. If, for some rare event you find that you need to restore a message or mailbox, then you have a great opportunity to practice your disaster recovery techniques on your recovery server. What? You don't have a recovery server? Well, you need one whether or not you use Brick Level Backup. In a nutshell, Brick Level Backups aren't evil. But they're completely superfluous. -Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP ************** -Michèle Immigration site: <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com> Our new 2001 Miata: <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley> Tiggercam: <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk> --------------------------------------------------------- I was thinking about how people seem to read the Bible a whole lot more as they get older, then it dawned on me...they were cramming for their finals... --------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Kumar, Ashish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 3:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: How many of you use Message Level Recovery ? Hi all, have seen some interesting discussions on this forum, and Id like to as a very basic question(this is not for market research. What are your experiences with single message recovery, or mailbox recovery from products like legato, ultrabac, veritas, commvault etc ? Do you actually use it, how much and how often ? Is this a very basic requirement for your selection of the product that you do backup and recovery with. With your help I'll probably get help making a decision I need to make , so thanks in advance ! regards, Ash List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
