Which is all true, but the last three or so times we've recruited here we've tended to weight experience way above degrees (or certainly relevant degrees) based in the light of experience.
We've had people with apparently relevant degrees who haven't recognised one end of a PC from the other - and people with no formal IT qualifications who've been brilliant. Geology degrees seem to be the best indicator (she says, totally unbiased - but the Geology undergraduate who just wanted a summer job was excellent ... we kept dragging him back until he finally got himself a real IT job!)
Karen
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 04 April 2002 15:17
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: WLKMMAS
>
>
> a) You won't be able to get a job outside the US - most
> countries require a
> minimum academic qualification for immigration now (there are
> exceptions -
> Canada and Australia being the main ones)
> b) Simple fact is though you won't even get invited for
> interview at a lot
> of companies. Most large consultancies are like this.
>
> So to say you can "choose your own career path" is simply not true.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 04 April 2002 14:16
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: WLKMMAS
>
>
> I would have to disagree with you there... The
> certifications I hold are
> worth more than any outdated college degree and I'm moving
> right along in
> the ranks. If done correctly, one can choose their own career path.
>
> Don Ely
> Network Engineer
> Tripath Imaging, Inc.
> (336) 290-8293 - Direct
> (336) 516-4519 - Mobile
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email
> http://www.tripathimaging.com
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lesaca, Wally R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:39 PM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: WLKMMAS
>
>
> It's good you know so many things.
> But always remember, you will always remain a handicapped
> when it comes to
> degree earned.
>
> Companies always look for candidates who are college/degree
> holders. Career
> paths are well defined.
>
> Much better if you will go back to college and prepare yourself for a
> brighter future.
>
> God bless!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Zatkalik [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:43 AM
> > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: WLKMMAS
> >
> > LMFAO!!!!!!!!!! On a side note, just because I am interested in
> > knowing a little about people before I start trying things people
> > suggest, what is "your" background, ie MSCE, MCP, MBA, MD, no
> > college/never graduated with a degree? The reason I ask is
> I went to
> > college for 1 1/2 years, ran out of $$$$$$$ and left
> college, decided
> > I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life, so I
> started working
> > with computers and just kept with it. I have no
> certifications, all
> > my knowledge is based on real world situations and reading through
> > groups like this and "playing" on test machines. I have
> been able to
> > mess with a lot of different technology such as: wireless
> networking,
> > SAN's, ip based phones, POTS/PBX lines, AS400's, SCO,
> Linux, DOS, 9x,
> > NT/2k and much more. That being said, is there any real reason to
> > have something on paper saying I am a MCSE, MCP, CCNA, GOB
> (Good ol'
> > Boy), etc? If you were hiring someone, how much weight does paper
> > have in regards to real world of IT/IS? I am content with
> my current
> > position as sys admin, but just curious as my parents are
> still asking
> > me if I plan to go back to college at some point, I am a
> youngin, 25.
> > I don't think, at this point in time, there is ANY reason to get a
> > degree, but think that maybe some extra letters on my name
> might get
> > me more money/better title/more respect. Hope I don't get
> flamed for
> > stealing the thread, but I thought this kinda fit in with
> the OT bone
> > head questions. Thoughts or comments please?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:38 PM
> > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: WLKMMAS
> >
> >
> > My child at age 2 " daddy if I came from inside of mommie,
> and you and
> > mom made me, where you ever in mommie?
> >
> > How is that for an answer?
> >
> > --Kevinm CHFR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond
> http://www.daughtry.ca/
> > For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here!
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:15 PM
> > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: WLKMMAS
> >
> >
> > Kevin, I'm an MCSE. Where do babies come from?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: April 3, 2002 6:13 PM
> > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: WLKMMAS
> >
> >
> > In a fit or rage from answering extreme bone head Questions from
> > MCSE's I added a ton of letters after my name with a tag
> line of "More
> > letters after my name makes me SmArTER" Oh man did I get flamed on
> > that one. In true Don Ely style I flamed back, But in the
> end gave up
> > the tag line. keeping some of the letters. Over time others
> have given
> > me new letters with meaning and here they are.
> >
> > WLKMMAS=William Lefkovics Kevin Miller Mutual Appreciation
> Society [1]
> > UCC+WCA=Urban Computer Commando + Wall Climbing Ability [2]
> >
> > [1] an inside joke between William and my self
> > [2] Late on an all weekend upgrade, had no keys to an
> office that held
> > some servers. I managed over the wall in the drop ceiling
> to get stuck
> > above the door in the small hole, for about 10 minutes.
> Finally made
> > it out and went back up and tried again. This time making it over.
> >
> > That is my story and I am sticking to it.. : >
> >
> > www.wlkmmas.org
> >
> > --Kevinm CHFR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond
> http://www.daughtry.ca/
> > For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here!
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim Boswell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:49 PM
> > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> > Subject: OT: WLKMMAS
> >
> >
> > OK, I've been trying to hold it in, but it's no good....
> >
> > What the hell does that acronym mean??!?!? I checked Google and the
> > only results I saw involved Kevin!! Is this some bizarre
> practice of
> > putting random letters after your name to try and look
> qualified? If
> > so I gotta try it (my boss genuinely wouldn't catch on....ever)
> >
> > Tim Boswell QWE+RTY, UIOP(2.0), SkillDrill Certified (hey,
> that last
> > one's genuine too!)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:05 PM
> > Subject: RE: Exchange server reboot simple q
> >
> >
> > I like you = ] you got Spunk.. When you don't have " Broke
> ass shit "
> > -Don Ely Why touch it?
> >
> > --Kevinm CHFR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond
> http://www.daughtry.ca/
> > For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here!
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brent Hudson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:32 AM
> > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Exchange server reboot simple q
> >
> >
> > It aint broke yet so I aint fixin nuthing..
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 02 April 2002 04:31
> > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Exchange server reboot simple q
> >
> >
> > wow, no service packs. that's wonderful.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brent Hudson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 11:28 PM
> > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Exchange server reboot simple q
> >
> >
> > The only reasons to reboot are:
> > 1) A badly setup server
> > 2) A lazy / Ignorant / uninformed administrator
> > 3) Real hardware problems..
> >
> > I've and exchange 5.5 box in another office that has not
> been rebooted
> > since July 2000 (and that was a faulty UPS causing a power out)..
> >
> > Later
> > Brent
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 01 April 2002 09:12
> > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Exchange server reboot simple q
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't reboot unless I absolutely have to. This includes network
> > equipment as well as servers. If you have to reboot things on a
> > monthly basis for "network stability", there is an
> underlying problem
> > that should be addressed.
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > -K.Borndale
> > IT Manager
> > Sybari Software
> > 631.630.8569 -direct dial
> > 631.439.0689 -fax
> > http://www.sybari.com
> > "One man's ceiling is another man's floor"
> >
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> >
> >
> > I cold-boot my entire network once a month.. it works wonders for
> > network stability.
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Joe Irvine
> > Director of Information Technology
> > The Business Office, Inc.
> > (609) 597-1155, Fax (609) 597-2860
> > www.tbopayroll.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 10:46 AM
> > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> > Subject: Exchange server reboot simple q
> >
> >
> > Just curious-- how often do people reboot their exchange
> servers? Or
> > do you? Our exchange server has been up for 7 months
> straight now w/o
> > a reboot. I am wondering if it would be a good idea to
> reboot it every
> > now and then-- free up any memory leakages, etc.. Is it
> necessary, or
> > can I let it just keep chugging away until it is necessary? Any
> > input, thoughts, etc. would be great. Thanks.
> >
> > paul green
> > seattle
> >
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