RE: Help Needed !

[Moody, Jacqueline]

Title: Message

Carl, I don't want to be argumentative either.  It sounds like we're reading the same thing and interpreting it differently.  Your quote from the spam policy states: "using a MyRealBox address as a return address or an opt-out address for spam is in violation of the terms and conditions by which we operate."   I interpret that as receiving Spam to the mailbox, which is the same thing stated in the User agreement.  You interpret it differently.  I am not signing up for it so that I don't have to rely on lawyers to interpret it later.   Anyway, when I see something with a potentially outrageous penalty like that, I like to let people know so they can go in with open eyes.    Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Help Needed ! Not trying to be argumentative, but your statement about what I quoted is in error.  What I quoted says nothing about receiving spam - my quote talks about receiving responses to spam.  Not the same.   I agree that the sign-up page phrase "every piece of spam that goes into or out of" is badly worded and probably was never reviewed by legal counsel.  It's clearly not their intent to charge innocent victims of spam, as seen by the checkboxes on that page and the other policy statements.  I wouldn't be concerned about it, as it would fall apart in court if challenged, not to mention generate bad publicity for Novell.   Carl -----Original Message----- From: Moody, Jacqueline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 9:53 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Help Needed ! http://www.myrealbox.com/a?.BQ.EY.Z2gQ.d I got it by going to myrealbox.com and clicking the link to sign up.  Here's the link above.  The very first paragraph states: User Agreement I will not use this mailbox in any way associated with spam including sending spam through MyRealBox.com, using this address as a return address for spam or as a drop box. If I violate this agreement I subject myself to legal action and will be held financially responsible for every piece of spam that goes into or out of MyRealBox.com at the amount of $10 for every piece of spam. The Spam policy you quoted confirms the user agreement - receiving SPAM is a violation of the user agreement.  They also state that it cannot be used for commercial purposes.  I think this list is a grey area and could potentially be construed as commercial use. Myrealbox.com is Novell, so maybe it's a tax write-off?  (Shrug) I solve the mail problem by getting my own domain and running my own mail server at home on a dedicated IP address DSL line. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Help Needed ! Your quote does not reflect the online terms of service.  Here are the actual TOS passages:   (http://www.myrealbox.com/a?.BQ.E4.Z4gQ.d) You agree to pay Novell ten dollars ($10 USD) for EACH E-mail sent that violates these Terms of Service and/or the SPAM policy.   The SPAM policy states that it applies to sent mail or inbound mail as a result of a mailbox used to gather responses to spam:   (http://www.myrealbox.com/a?.BQ.EQ.Z2.BQ.d) Sending spam E-mail from a MyRealBox address or using a MyRealBox address as a return address or an opt-out address for spam is in violation of the terms and conditions by which we operate, and users found in violation of the policy will have their account terminated. Additionally we will pursue legal actions against any person violating our terms and conditions.   So from what did you excerpt your quote?   And how does myrealbox.com stay in business?   Carl   -----Original Message----- From: Moody, Jacqueline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:22 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Help Needed ! Actually, it said $10 per email for both sending and RECEIVING spam.  Here's the excerpt.   If I violate this agreement I subject myself to legal action and will be held financially responsible for every piece of spam that goes into or out of MyRealBox.com at the amount of $10 for every piece of spam.   Jacqueline   -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:21 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Help Needed ! You obviously did not read it.   It says that you agree to pay 10$ per email IF you use your account to SPAM...   THAT is what made me think twice about (Hmmm, I really don't SPAM right? Pretty sure....yeah I am good)   -----Original Message----- From: Joe Irvine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 9:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Help Needed !   where do you get $10.00 per e-mail from?? its $10.00 per year for pop access.... I use it as my only mail account at home and love it! -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 5:52 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Help Needed ! Nice. I have been looking for this for awhile too since hotmail became a pain in the a*s and yahoo did it's recent pay change. $10 per email? Man I had think twice before checking that box. Lol If you don't get that one, check out the site -----Original Message----- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 4:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Help Needed ! www.myrealbox.com They also offer IMAP support. -----Original Message----- From: harshang shah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:44 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Help Needed !   Hi All, Can anybody help me out to subscribe to a free mail service like yahoo , which offers atleast 6 to 7 mb mailbox size with pop3 & smtp support anything . Previously I used to have all the mails of this list coming to my yahoo account which I download at home pc and then go through them when I have the time .Since yahoo has started charging for the same I can't continue with it . I'm looking for a reply from the people outhere as I really like this list and don't wanna discontinue it . 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