Rewriting the "from" and the "to" and the "reply-to" to all be the list's address is _not_ a good idea, imo.
M. Trittipo Minneapolis, MN <<<< From: exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com To: exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com >>>> > -----Original Message----- > From: exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 10:43 AM > To: exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > Subject: RE: Blackberry question > > > > > > Well, that should never be an issue here. Even if everyone > in the organization was given BBs, that would total less than > 100. I think last count there were a total of 85 people > working for this department. > > > > From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:15 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Blackberry question > > > > Also, make sure that your BES are colocated in the same > datacenter/network space as your Exchange server(s) - latency > is a biatch for BES. Depending on your server sizing, you > probably want no more than 1000 BB users per BES, and > probably no more than 200 BB users per Exchange server, and > you probably want to limit the agent connections per Exchange > server and per BES. All in all, the small environments > probably would never hit these limits, but in larger > deployments (like mine) it becomes a management nightmare. > And when you move to larger capacity Exchange servers (like > what 2007 can handle), you begin to need one or more BES per > Exchange server, which becomes prohibitive cost-wise!! > > On Dec 27, 2007 8:09 AM, Don Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ah, so it's also a good way to ensure that your Exchange > environment is properly configured and sized - cool! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 6:21 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Blackberry question > > No one has mentioned performance. > The BES server uses mapi to talk to the exch server and can > bring an misconfigured or undersized exchange server to its > latency knees. > > > ________________________________ > > From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 5:53 PM > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Blackberry question > > > > My point is that the decision must be made based on your > needs for adminsitration, manageability, security, etc... > All of the mobility vendors out there serve various needs, > some do it better than others... > EAS isn't nearly as far along as Blackberry, on the other > hand it does work and the fact that you're having trouble > with your users because they cannot charge their phone is > neither a slight on EAS or a win for BES. That would be the > fault of the phone manufacturers... And quite frankly, if > they can't keep their phone charged, maybe they don't need one... > > Never the less, I like EAS and I like BES. I like the new > Curve so much that I may replace my 6700 with one when its > time. Then again, there may be a real cool WM device out by > then that I want... > > On Dec 26, 2007 2:45 PM, Joe Heaton > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > > Ok Don, you're starting to confuse me. On one hand, you're > telling me that BB is good, and worth it, and then you make > some of these comments. > By the way, aren't remote wipes possible with the WM6? > > > > > From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:41 PM > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Blackberry question > > > > > Inline.... > > On Dec 26, 2007 2:38 PM, Davies,Matt > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > m >> wrote: > > > > This may be the start of another WM vs Blackberry Rant J > > > > Having used a blackberry since there were first released, > there is only one choice. If you look how blackberry has > evolved over the last 6 years, from my opinion MS and the WM > devices manufactures are way behind on the curve. > > As are all mobile players not just MS > > On a regular basis I test new devices as they come on to the > market, and so far as yet none of the WM devices come close > to the user experience of a Blackberry, both in simplicity to > use and stability. Battery life on WM devices sucks compared > to any blackberry. > > Crackberries are for stupid people. WM are very useful to > more savvy individuals. > > As for Manageability, the ability to blank devices remotely > as long as they have a network connection is fantastic, and > the control that the administrator has over the device is > second to none, and is simple and easy to implement. > > Remote wipes are easily done with other vendors... > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Joe Heaton > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > Sent: 26 December 2007 22:19 > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Blackberry question > > > > > > > Well, we only have about 15 WM users, and only 2 users that > are asking about BB atm. My understanding is that the two > services are similar. > Is BB really that much more bulletproof/stable, etc? > > > > From: Martin Blackstone > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:18 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Blackberry question > > > > > > I have no idea how many WM users you have now, but once you > open the BB > floodgate, you might get overrun. > > > > From: Joe Heaton [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:11 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Blackberry question > > > > > > But then if you go to the actual Express page, you see this part: > > > > What's Included? > > * One free BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express - Small Business > Edition v4.1 for Microsoft(r) Exchange, IBM(r) Lotus(r) Domino(r) or > Novell(r) GroupWise(r) > * One user included, expandable to 15 users (at additional cost) > <<<<<<<<<<< > > > > > > From: Don Ely [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:05 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Blackberry question > > > > > > Express only covers a single user... > > > > > > On Dec 26, 2007 1:59 PM, Joe Heaton > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> wrote: > > > > We currently use Windows Mobile devices, connecting directly to our > Exchange server. Unfortunately, the Moto Q phones we > purchased for our > new Executive Director, and Assistant Director, have had charging > issues, as in they wouldn't take a charge when plugged in. It is > possible, also, that the Director has no clue how to charge his phone, > but I hope that scenario is unlikely. > > > > Anyway, I guess at his previous employment, they used Blackberry > devices, and he's starting to question why we don't use > Blackberry here. > I explained to him that in an enterprise situation, we would need to > have a separate server for Blackberry, and we would also need to > purchase the server software. Also, no one in IT has had experience > managing this type of solution, so there would be a learning curve for > us. He also asked the same type of questions of another IT guy, so I > think he's going to be going to our manager and pushing to implement a > Blackberry solution. Which finally brings me to my question here. > > > > I've looked at the Blackberry website, and I see two versions > of the BES > software. The Express, and the regular. What's the > difference between > the two? If I only have a handful of users, would it be better to get > the Express version, which has no cost? > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe Heaton > > AISA > > Employment Training Panel > > 1100 J Street, 4th Floor > > Sacramento, CA 95814 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: > 12/25/2007 8:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: > 12/25/2007 8:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: > 12/25/2007 8:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: > 12/25/2007 8:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: > 12/25/2007 8:04 PM > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail (including all attachments) is confidential and may be > privileged. > It is for the exclusive use of the addressee only. If you > are not the > addressee, > you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this > communication is > strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > erase all > copies of the message and its attachments and notify us > immediately at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> . > Thank You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: > 12/25/2007 8:04 PM > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: > 12/25/2007 8:04 PM > > > > > > > > ~ Sunbelt Messaging Ninja with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets > Image Spam ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm> ~ > > > > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ > ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ > > > > > -- > Kat Collins - "The Email of the species is more powerful than > the Mail!" > > "The human voice is the organ of the soul." 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