No one has mentioned performance. The BES server uses mapi to talk to the exch server and can bring an misconfigured or undersized exchange server to its latency knees.
________________________________ From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 5:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Blackberry question My point is that the decision must be made based on your needs for adminsitration, manageability, security, etc... All of the mobility vendors out there serve various needs, some do it better than others... EAS isn't nearly as far along as Blackberry, on the other hand it does work and the fact that you're having trouble with your users because they cannot charge their phone is neither a slight on EAS or a win for BES. That would be the fault of the phone manufacturers... And quite frankly, if they can't keep their phone charged, maybe they don't need one... Never the less, I like EAS and I like BES. I like the new Curve so much that I may replace my 6700 with one when its time. Then again, there may be a real cool WM device out by then that I want... On Dec 26, 2007 2:45 PM, Joe Heaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: Ok Don, you're starting to confuse me. On one hand, you're telling me that BB is good, and worth it, and then you make some of these comments. By the way, aren't remote wipes possible with the WM6? From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Blackberry question Inline.... On Dec 26, 2007 2:38 PM, Davies,Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: This may be the start of another WM vs Blackberry Rant J Having used a blackberry since there were first released, there is only one choice. If you look how blackberry has evolved over the last 6 years, from my opinion MS and the WM devices manufactures are way behind on the curve. As are all mobile players not just MS On a regular basis I test new devices as they come on to the market, and so far as yet none of the WM devices come close to the user experience of a Blackberry, both in simplicity to use and stability. Battery life on WM devices sucks compared to any blackberry. Crackberries are for stupid people. WM are very useful to more savvy individuals. As for Manageability, the ability to blank devices remotely as long as they have a network connection is fantastic, and the control that the administrator has over the device is second to none, and is simple and easy to implement. Remote wipes are easily done with other vendors... Matt From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Sent: 26 December 2007 22:19 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Well, we only have about 15 WM users, and only 2 users that are asking about BB atm. My understanding is that the two services are similar. Is BB really that much more bulletproof/stable, etc? From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:18 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I have no idea how many WM users you have now, but once you open the BB floodgate, you might get overrun. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question But then if you go to the actual Express page, you see this part: What's Included? * One free BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express – Small Business Edition v4.1 for Microsoft® Exchange, IBM® Lotus® Domino® or Novell® GroupWise® * One user included, expandable to 15 users (at additional cost) <<<<<<<<<<< From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:05 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Blackberry question Express only covers a single user... On Dec 26, 2007 1:59 PM, Joe Heaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: We currently use Windows Mobile devices, connecting directly to our Exchange server. Unfortunately, the Moto Q phones we purchased for our new Executive Director, and Assistant Director, have had charging issues, as in they wouldn't take a charge when plugged in. It is possible, also, that the Director has no clue how to charge his phone, but I hope that scenario is unlikely. Anyway, I guess at his previous employment, they used Blackberry devices, and he's starting to question why we don't use Blackberry here. I explained to him that in an enterprise situation, we would need to have a separate server for Blackberry, and we would also need to purchase the server software. Also, no one in IT has had experience managing this type of solution, so there would be a learning curve for us. He also asked the same type of questions of another IT guy, so I think he's going to be going to our manager and pushing to implement a Blackberry solution. Which finally brings me to my question here. I've looked at the Blackberry website, and I see two versions of the BES software. 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