I think you two need to get a room.
From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: GoExchange Response I get that way daily sir!! I learned a Lonnnngggg time back just how little I do know compared to some of the excellent list members here, including our hosts, Sunbelt Software and all their team. NOW, THOSE PEOPLE ROCK!!!! Please Don, keep the comments coming, it makes one think and rethink their situation and I appreciate that. NOW, someone pass the beer will ya!! ________________________________ From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: GoExchange Response I wasn't in an uproar... :P And just for the record, the other day I was talking to myself because I couldn't remember where the config file for NTOP was and I said, "self, you fscking idiot, stop being so stupid!". On Jan 22, 2008 10:56 AM, Tom Strader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: HA!! Well, in my 19-20 years in this field, I agree it's been far and few between the number of times I have had to use the "so called" exchange utilities, however, w hen I came on board, this company was using DEMO backup software to backup files, but no Exchange backup so ANDY, you are correct, if a good admin has backups that are verified, there is no need for such a utility and it is like nails on a chalk board when I get the notification that GoExchange is getting ready to perform its' maintenance. Unfortunately, not everyone is as knowledgeable as Don Ely, that's why we depend on our fellow Admins subscribed to this list, even Don. Don, my skin is quite thick, thank you!!, and yes, unlike you who places yourself leagues above everyone else, I do feel stupid sometimes. That's why I subscribe to this excellent list and encourage other less fortunate Admins to do so to gain a greater knowledge of how to do things "the right way". Your comments are appreciated sir. My apologies for getting your balls in an uproar. ________________________________ From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: GoExchange Response To clarify, I did NOT say you were stupid because you used the program... I said "This product was created for stupid people who don't read the documentation or listen to PSS..." So, that wasn't necessarily directed at you. Apparently, it was more appropriately directed at your predecessor and you were the unfortunate soul that had to deal with the product... You just happen to take offense to the statement. In which case, I would say you might need to thicken your skin... Their product is designed for a niche market and I would classify that market for so-called Exchange admins lacking the brain cells to actually be called admins[1]. Would do me no good to tell them I thought poorly of their product as it clearly wasn't designed for Exchange admins with a clue. Oh, and my hard evidence regarding their product... I can count on one hand how many times I have run ESEUTIL or ISINTEG on an Exchange database in the last 11-12 years. And of those times, I was a consultant called in for emergency support to ressurect Exchange... [1] Is that better than the shorter version "stupid"? On Jan 22, 2008 10:31 AM, Tom Strader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Don, I can take "constructive" criticism and welcome it if its done in a positive light, but classifying anyone as "stupid" just because they use a program you disagree with is very unprofessional. I DO know Exchange and how to use the utilities (manually), learned the hard way. I didn't want to use the program: 1. Because its grossly overpriced 2. I feel it is unnecessary if, like you say, you know how to administer Exchange. However, I was literally "forced" to purchase and install it for this company due to their experience with the last "stupid" administrator. Thanks for your comments anyhow. I'd suggest if you are so adamantly against such a program, you might want to contact them and express your feelings to them and provide hard evidence to disapprove the use of the program so that we can avoid having other "stupid" administrators in the world. Have a good day sir! ________________________________ From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: GoExchange Response I don't recall what page it was, but when I read "this product was designed because most IT people don't know what order to run these utilities, etc..."; my opinion was quickly formed... That said, if you don't know how to administer Exchange and have no intention of learning, this product is for you. If you DO know how, this product is clearly NOT for you... On Jan 22, 2008 10:10 AM, Tom Strader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Very constructive comment there Don. Thanks! Tom "One of the Stupid People" ________________________________ From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: GoExchange Response Summary of the 9 pages... "This product was created for stupid people who don't read the documentation or listen to PSSS..." On Jan 22, 2008 9:48 AM, Tom Strader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: List, I have a response from Lucid8 concerning their GoExchange product and the questions that were posted a week or so back. I've tried to post the response here but the Lyris server says its too large so if anyone want to read their response, please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll forward it to you. It is in DOCX format. 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