Gmail <> Postini Though, without actually checking, I suspect for Postini, customers could have the option to allow anonymous statistics for Google or not.
-----Original Message----- From: Matt Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 6:36 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Why not? I never said you were a hapless fool. That was a different off shoot of the thread. As for google.... In the EULA for GMail it essentially states they can keep any mail that comes through their systems for at least 60 days to what ever they please. The Viacom Youtube lawsuit. Viacoms lawyers have forced Youtube (Google) to turn over all usernames and IP addresses in their quest to rid them of copyrighted material. As google says, at stake is millions of usernames, real names, IP addresses pining them to location, every video they've ever watched, every comment they've ever made, All their sharing friends,.......... That would be data mining. They don't keep that sort of information just for fun. It pays for the fun. M -----Original Message----- From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:22 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Why not? I've tried. I stopped when blood started running out of my ears due to all the legaleese thrown in to confuse us "hapless fools" as you like to call us. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - 0000 Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag.. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Teddy Roosevelt; 1907 -----Original Message----- From: Matt Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Why not? Read a EULA. It will become clear. -----Original Message----- From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:23 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Why not? Matt: On what do you base your assertion that Google is a giant data miner? John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - 0000 Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag.. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Teddy Roosevelt; 1907 -----Original Message----- From: Matt Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:42 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Why not? Because google is a giant data miner. I'd rather not have my mail go through them at any cost. Not to mention most other third party AV and Spam solutions use mulitple spam and AV engines to clean and sanitize the mail before delivery to the exchange. Postini is just postini. Our corp boys are running the corp mail through it and it doesn't do a very good job. Bumps the people you want and lets the ones you don't in. M ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael B. Smith <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues <mailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: Why not? I'm really interested in knowing why most folks (that aren't using in-house AS/AV solutions) haven't moved to Google/Postini for your AS/AV? 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