Not only wipe but be useless until they plug it back into iTunes.  At
least with a Blackberry, if you wipe the device by entering the password
wrong it will still be usable once the Exchange data is removed.  Then
you all the admin guys and ask for a activation password, then you are
all back in action.

 

From: Eric Woodford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 11:51 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Blackberry, or something else?

 

Problem we are having with our Windows Mobile devices is security. It's
harder to enforce encryption and password policies on the Windows mobile
devices. BES has this out of the box.

Try telling that iPhone user that their device will wipe if they put
their password in wrong 10 times... 

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Pete Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Agreed, Our office has a bunch of berries that were rushed in by the CEO
a few years ago. He loves it, so we keep them and they work well but I'm
going to have him try a Windows mobile device and explain the cost
benefit

 

 

Pete Howard | Systems Engineer

MCSE 3.51-2003 | ESX VCP 

* EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

----- Original Message ----
From: Matt Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues <exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>

Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:40:02 PM
Subject: RE: Blackberry, or something else?

I'm with you!  Our office has a BES and a bunch of berries but I hold
out!!!!!  One less point of failure.  Die berry die.

Although when a user goes swimming with their trusty berry the sticker
shock
is a sight to behold.  =)
M

-----Original Message-----

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:08 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Blackberry, or something else?

Bah humbug. I drink the Windows Mobile kool-aid instead of the BES
kool-aid.

Just make sure your devices are WM 6.1. :-)

(I just had to throw in an opposing opinion.)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:51 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Blackberry, or something else?

Interesting. So it would seem that BES uses SQL as a backend for
Exchange integration.

The latency for our AU and UK offices is pretty consistently between
100-200ms, with regular spikes to above 500ms. That could prove
interesting.

Kurt

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Barsodi.John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> To add, I'm a huge BES fan as well.
>
> I have 7 BES servers worldwide...including the countries you have
offices
in.  You need to keep your BES server as close to your Exchange server
as
possible, which would make sharing SQL difficult as Don suggested.
You'll
run into worker thread errors if you have high latency between BES &
Exchange.  I've gotten RIM support to confirm up to 300ms max, ideally
nothing over 35ms.
>
> - John Barsodi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 6:11 PM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Blackberry, or something else?
>
> Your mantra is spot on!
>
> I'll say up front that I'm a BES fan. The only limiting factor I can
think
of is that in order to manage the whole environment as one is the need
to
share a SQL database across all your BES'.  I'd think a sales support
type
could assist with some recommendations, trade offs etc.
>
> ---------------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues <exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
> Sent: Wed Sep 03 18:51:46 2008
> Subject: Re: Blackberry, or something else?
>
> Yes, I'm all over the policy thing. Fortunately, I haven't yet set up
> OMA/ActiveSynch/IMAP-over-SSL/whatever, and the migration from
> Exchange 5.5 cut off the IMAP and POP for everyone - by design! - so
> there has been some howling about that.
>
> I'm now almost ready to throw the bone to the crowd, but I want it to
> be the right bone in the right way.
>
> Centrally managed on company-issued devices only - that's my mantra. I
> want the data secure both in transit and at rest.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Troy Meyer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> Hey Kurt,
>>
>> Any set of devices might work for you, if you guys have money, go
with
Blackberry and BES because its got a nice central management for what
you
are looking for.
>>
>> I would say put more effort into shaping policy than worrying about
phones.  We made that mistake about 2 years ago and found ourselves with
3
mobile mail solutions (activesync, goodlink, BES) and phones from all
sorts
of vendors and providers and it's a support nightmare.  (try telling the
one
exec using a Palm 600 he needs to upgrade or move to a blackberry).  I
also
wish we had set policy in the beginning regarding security and
encryption
because its always harder retroactively.
>>
>> Note: I was not employed here during original implementation, but
would
have loved to be in your position to consider all of the policy side
before
implementation.
>>
>> -troy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:54 PM
>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>> Subject: Blackberry, or something else?
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I'm getting a lot of pressure to get mobile devices to users in our
>> US, UK and AU offices. As you might imagine, the sales staff in the
AU
>> and UK offices travel internationally quite a bit, so I have to think
>> beyond the boundaries of those countries, into Europe and Asia. Sales
>> and other mobile staff would total perhaps 50-75 people worldwide.
>>
>> We have E2k3 servers in each office, but I want central control - the
>> ability to remote kill and otherwise manage this, if possible.
>>
>> What have been your experiences - and what would you recommend?
>>
>> I haven't worked with Blackberry or anything else mobile for Exchange
>> before, so am more than a bit uncertain about this, especially the
>> risk to company data on these things floating around.
>>
>> Any help much appreciated.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
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