speaking from experiance here...

Thats not true,

no-one doubted that the x86 Cyrix 200+ (which was a 166 chip) cained the
intel P200 in everything bar floating point..

And K6-2 was likewise definately faster then P233mmx of the same clock
speed.

k6-2 was also compariable in speed in some areas to Pentium II's at lower
clock speeds, (k2-2's never went beyond 550 I think)

the K6-3 was actually pretty good, thanks only to a big onchip cache. it
beat the PII's hands down in most cases.

Intel got my vote back then only for the hugely overclockable Celery's....
(like a 300A celery at 504MHZ)

I know all of this because at that time we build configured and shipped
several thousands of systems of the above configs.. and we tested and
benchmarked most of them, (I had a personal interest in this stuff back
then.) these systems had all of the main chipsets from Intel (HX, VX, TX ,LX
and BX) Via MPV3 and 4 and apollo pro and a coupla others) and some sis
stuff.

I also did tests to see the difference between the same systems running NT4
and 98... (eg... Ppro200 on win95 was the same or slightly slower then
p200mmx even though it was a far superior design,,, why? because intel chose
that point to remove all 16 bit optimisations from the Ppro,, so it sucked
on 95, which was still half 16bit code.

then intel released Slot1, and told us how they would never go back to a
socket design as it just wasn't big enough to have space for cache and pins
underneath,,, looked at a chip lately?

Its just that nowdays, AMD gets alot more press, so people know their chips
can be faster... I hope it gets better..

Intel has to constantly drop thier prices and increase their performance now
that amd are on the ball,, do you remember how slow the chips speed went up
back in the P100-120-150-166-200 days?  performance only increased slowly,
chips are expensive and not much happened..

Amd is really making this happen.


they have my vote, both for shaking up the industry, and for making
excellent chips..


rgds

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason Guidry
Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2001 11:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!


On Saturday 01 December 2001 08:24 am, you assembled:
> Just for some added info, I have Mandrake 8.0 loaded on an FIC 503+, 256
> megs ram,  AMD k6-2 333MHz, and I also have Mandrake 8.0 loaded on an old,
> Pentium MMX 166MHz, 96 megs of ram, and the cheapest MoBo that NEC could
> find.  The Pentium machine is at least TWICE as fast as the AMD box, no
> matter what OS it is running.  That goes for Win98, W2K, NT4.0, Solaris 8,
> and Mandrake Linux.  My little network test field has been a real eye
> opener to me.  I will go with Intel chips from now on.
>

wait a minute people.  we're talking about legacy chips here, way before AMD
hit their stride.  I think you will all find that modern amd CPUs and
compatible chipsets are embarassing Intel, while AMD's marketing has much to
be desired.

Now, I'f you're testing older systems, then there's no doubt that Intel was
on top.  but there's little doubt that AMD is taking over (if they could
just
make some headway on laptops...)



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