On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 20:27, stefmit wrote:
> On Sunday 15 June 2003 03:13 pm, Adrian Golumbovici wrote:
> > Actually I think he has got a point and everybody misunderstood him. IMHO
> > he wasn't bashing Mandrake, but merely stating a Linux general problem. 
> > The libraries and dependencies thing is linux is really a big PITA. Each
> > time I want to install something which is not in my standard distro I have
> > to go through the pains of hell for searching for dependencies. As far as
> > urpmi is concerned it does a great job, but since it cannot resolve
> > dependencies outside the mdk distro, it doesn't help much. I hate Winblows
> > and still dream of the day when I could totally switch to linux, but linux
> > is not making things very easy for us who want to switch to it. In winblows
> > I don't have to give a rats ass about dependencies. Most programs come with
> > the needed library statically binded or depends on libraries which are
> > already in the distros of about 5 major types of winblows on the use at
> > this time. 
> 
> <snip>
> 
> My point EXACTLY - thank you, Adrian. You see - unlike many of you on this 
> list, I am NOT a Linux guru - I am a network geek, by all means, and I really 
> got a kick out of Linux the first time I discovered it can run tcpdump 
> (1993-4-5?!? ... can't even remember). I LOVE Linux, but I never did 
> development on its platform, and the only time I really touched *nix 
> programming was in school, for Tannenbaum's Minix (awesome!) OS design class. 
> And ever since, I have looked toward Linux as my platform of choice for TOOLS 
> for networking and security ... but in the last couple of years it became 
> more and more bloated, trying to gain a market it has NO CHANCE of conquering 
> (desktop), moving in the direction of Windows, with light-years behind it in 
> regards to ease of use. And you know what? It SHALL NOT be easy to use (as in 
> GUI/KDE/Gnome-like - at least not as a unique purpose! ... perhaps it can 
> come as a by-product, when everything is stable enough to be worth looking in 
> that direction). And all this with the price of incompatibility with the 
> things supposed to be used for ...
> 
> I have a group I am in charge with, of very sharp network gurus, whom I am 
> trying to continuously push toward Linux, while my job keeps me more and more 
> away from this, more into responsibilities of what I call "pie-chart 
> creation" :( ... but even this bias toward Linux as a platform comes with a 
> huge price: countless hours spent on trying to make things work under Linux 
> (ntop, nagios, snort, mrtg, rancid, etc.), to the point when the 
> time*resources spent cannot justify anymore the *assumed" costless choice of 
> running such things on Linux. Many times I have to humbly recognize my 
> failure when being asked by the CEO: why didn't you buy X, or Y, or Z, pay 
> $$$ on MS W2K and MS SQL, and get YOUR JOB (networking and security!!) done? 
> And many times I have no answer ...
> 
> Sorry for the off-topic comments above ... all I was hoping was to find the 
> "recipe" for libraries issues in Linux, primarily for Mandrake. I got some 
> good advices, and I got some new ideas to try, but mostly I got "yes, this 
> and that are weird". Thank you all for helping. I sure hope things will get 
> back to where I met Linux first time: Yggdrasil's distro ... what a hell of a 
> time we had together, then ;) ... while trying to resolve my MDK issues ... 
> and wondering if they are really only mine?!? 


Just to note... some of the Yggdrasil guys are still kicking around here
in the valley... I see them at SVLUG and Internet developers group all
the time.  
> 
> Thx,
> Stef
> 
> 
> 
> 
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