No they are not related in any way. I do not know what happened to the guy from NY.
Thanks ... Jay Novak -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Reinhardt Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [F500] RWHP Jay, the Phoenix, is that the go kart guy from NY that built some of the Novakars? I talked to him just before he moved out west... CR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Reinhardt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [F500] RWHP > The newer Honda's are... > > CR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Voboril" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 12:09 AM > Subject: Re: [F500] RWHP > > >> Chris, >> >> The other way. >> Open loop cannot accommodate a restictor. The 1000cc engines are open >> loop, so I assume the 600cc ones are also. Have you seen any ehaust gas >> sensors on any bikes for closed loop ? There must be some now. >> >> >> Phoenix Raceworks has their 1st F1000 car on the track out here now and >> have advance orders. >> However they say they probably will go through one more development cycle >> on the existing tunnels and bodywork. They also now sell a nice dry >> sump kit separately for just over $1000. >> I was looking at their wing package and it is quite nice-not too >> expensive because F1000 requires non-carbon. >> >> >> >> Chuck >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Chris Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Reply-To: [email protected] >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: Re: [F500] RWHP >>>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:57:28 -0400 >>> >>>Chuck, so you're saying that FI motor with a closed loop Lamda probe can >>>not do it???? It really depends on which motor and how much you want to >>>trim off. I personally think a "stock" motor would be close to the ball >>>park, just adding weight would ballance it out. The F1000 left the >>>engine rules wide open, not good... >>> >>>CR >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Voboril" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:36 PM >>>Subject: [F500] RWHP >>> >>> >>>>Ah Bill, >>>>Caution: restrictors probably should not be planned for motorcycle >>>>powered F600. >>>> >>>>F1000 rules makers decided they could not use restrictors because a >>>>modern MC FI motor with stock FI absolutely cannot accommodate a >>>>restrictor. >>>> >>>>The FI pukes fuel all over. It is an open loop system. It has to work >>>>like that. >>>> >>>>That is why FSAE kids play with their laptops so much. >>>> >>>>According to widly published magazine tests, those 115 to 120 HP bike >>>>motors have 106 to 108HP to rear wheels on a stock internals Suzuki or >>>>Honda 600cc. >>>> >>>>Next year it will be more HP. Very competitive market for those cute >>>>little motors. >>>> >>>>Anyway, thats about 9 to 12 HP loss in transmission, chain, and a tiny >>>>bit in the tire. Lets figure on 10 HP average loss. >>>> >>>>Now we add lower restriction muffler + aftemarket tubular exhaust. >>>>All that should be worth 2-4 HP. We'll use an added 3 HP >>>> >>>>We are then at maybe 109-111 rear wheel HP >>>> >>>>What do you think a 95 to 100 HP fully developed properly clutched Rotax >>>>ends up with at the rear wheels? >>>> >>>>If we assume that a CVT is just as efficient as a bike drivetrain, then >>>>we subtract 10 HP to get 90 RWHP best case, I believe. >>>> >>>>Thats 19 HP less at the rear wheels than using the lower HP Suzuki bike >>>>motor HP for comparison. >>>> >>>>Lets knock off another 2 HP on the difference in efficiency since we >>>>only were flexing one tire in the bike dyno tests. >>>> >>>>Thats why I asked "what about a Novakar with 17 more RWHP" >>>> >>>> >>>>Thats the thought process anyway. Caution, your tuning ability may >>>>vary..... >>>> >>>> >>>>Chuck >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Jan Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>Reply-To: [email protected] >>>>>To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>Subject: RE: [F500] Novak wins Sprints, Jondal takes Series lead >>>>>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:17:20 -0500 >>>>> >>>>>I have been meaning to post on this issue for a couple of weeks now, >>>>>but >>>>>have been very busy with my Dad's funeral stuff. I have been keeping >>>>>close communication with the local Fsae boys and have some enlightening >>>>>info. They are taking a 115 to 120hp Honda motor and strangling it down >>>>>with a single inlet restrictor (metric) that is roughly the size of a >>>>>nickel. They are claiming 80 to 81 hp on the dyno. They attach a cv >>>>>joint jack shaft where the countershaft sprocket would normally mount >>>>>and run it straight over to the dyno. Now, they are allowed big >>>>>compression, big valves, big cams and allowed to play with FI stuff. I >>>>>bet our "no internal mods" engine would be around 75hp to 80 hp. I dont >>>>>think that anyone has to worry about our possible future "crotch >>>>>rocket" >>>>>engine being an overkill and screwing up the class. If someone wants to >>>>>cross post this to eformula, that is fine. I havent gotten off my butt >>>>>and subscribed , yet. >>>>>Happy motoring >>>>>Bill Schmidt 88 RD Kawi >>>>> >>>>> >>> "Chuck Voboril" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/26/07 9:48 AM >>> >>>>>Should be interesting to see what another 17 HP or so to the ground >>>>>from >>>>>a >>>>>bike motor does in a car like Brian's. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Chuck >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >From: "Jeff Jorgenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> >Reply-To: [email protected] >>>>> >To: [email protected] >>>>> >Subject: [F500] Novak wins Sprints, Jondal takes Series lead >>>>> >Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:23:00 -0700 >>>>> > >>>>> >June 25, 2007 >>>>> > >>>>> > For Immediate Release >>>>> >Novak wins Sprints, Jondal takes Series lead >>>>> > >>>>> >Formula 500 Constructors Series presented by, >>>>> >Novakar, QRE, Red Devil, Scorpion, Sidewinder, TR1, >>>>> >Dolphin-Motorsports, Jondal Machine, F500.org and Vertical Curve >>>>> >Racing >>>>> > >>>>> >Congratulations to Brian Novak - he won the June Sprints in a >>>>> >dominating drive, setting a track record on the way. Steve Jondal >>>>> >came out on top of a super duel with Don Hamilton to capture second >>>>> >place and the lead of the Formula 500 Constructors Series. >>>>> > >>>>> >Series Standings: >>>>> > >>>>> >Name Points Total >>>>> >Steve Jondal 13.5 >>>>> >Jeff Jorgenson 12 >>>>> >Clint McMahan 12 >>>>> >Brian Novak 12 >>>>> >Kenny Holzer 9 >>>>> >Tom Hastings 9 >>>>> >Kenny Price 7 >>>>> >Aaron Ellis 6 >>>>> >Tom Shaughnessy 5 >>>>> >Andrew Brenkus 4 >>>>> >John Walbran 3 >>>>> >Thomas Bartz 2 >>>>> >Darrel Greening 1 >>>>> >Charlie Schlismann 1 >>>>> >Peter Zak 1 >>>>> >Don Hamilton 1 >>>>> >Brian Brothers 1 >>>>> >Bob Giesen 1 >>>>> >Michel Vacek 1 >>>>> >Bob Berman 0 >>>>> >Cory McLeod 0 >>>>> >Jim Elder 0 >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >See you in Topeka! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/875 - Release Date: 6/27/2007 9:08 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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